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i WORE a uniform for 4 years,i don't want or expect any special treatment or thank you s,it was my job........to do what I had to do as a marine....no one owes ANY MILITARY person a thing,we do,did it because we want,get paid,etc,it does not make me any better,patriotic, or anything else above those who are not or were in the military.......i m done with this thread,,im grateful for my brothers in arms who have fallen however i feel WE are fighting a war we can not win,a war that should have never been,there were other ways of catching hussien and his henchmen,laden etc.first off you never threaten or tell someone for 6 months ,you are gonna invade .you hit by surprise.....if they did have weapons,they had ample time to move them because bush scratched his ass for a year.....

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Lets not forget whose watch it was when bin laden hit the trade center the first time. Or who was offered up bin laden 4 times and passed for one reason or another.
Don't forget getting in bed with the Chinese and opening "trade" with them.

Daddywabbit... warmonger? please, I suppose Clinton was a warmonger for the action in Bosnia? Or was it a "wag the dog" to take some attention away from the sex scandal?
If you want to save jobs and are really committed to what you believe, stop buying any goods or services that aren't made in the U.S. Don't use companies that outsource customer service lines to foreign countries either.
As for the economy sucking, well it sucked well before Bush became Pres.
The economy was artificially inflated in the 90's by slew of dotcommers. Once that went away the numbers don't look so good.
I'm not sure by your statement about 9/11 having nothing to do with the economy, but if you are saying that it had no effect on it you are wrong.

Do I think Bush is the best man for the job? Not by any stretch, but Kerry reminds me of a Jimmy Carter. Not what we need at this point I think.

Aren't these political discussions fun and pretty usless at the same time? I mean really has anyone changed their opinion?

BTW in case anyone is interested... There is growing concern over Social Security as the Baby Boomers are reaching retirement age.
I did some searching and found I think the root of the problem.... It was never designed to be paid out. Social Security was enacted in 1935 and signed by Roosevelt. Now, how is this not designed to be paid out?, well here goes...
In 1935 the life expectancy was 61.7 years give or take a few months.
Now you have to ask yourself "why would the age at which you can collect be higher than the life expectancy?" Answer: Cash cow! That had to be some great marketing to sell that to the American People, I guess looking at the time period and the depression people were looking for some sense of security and got scammed.

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We surely see this from different points of view. It's impossible to pick the fights that can be assuredly be won. One must fight the fights that need to be fought. This is the basic concept that this country came to be.
I cannot predict the outcome of the issues within the middle east but one thing is for sure, ignoring the problem will only cause the world grief.
Granted, the problem of finding terrorist is like having a war between Pepsi people and Coca Cola people. It's tough to figure out the players.
I dont want to take a hard line when it comes to the Military. They're taking the hard line FOR me. And they volenteered to do it. It's much easier to fill out my income tax knowing that my tax dollars are not going to the Arts or Welfare recipiants, That money goes to sending 1 or 2 G.I.'s home for 30 day of leave. Somebody was footing the bill for me to go home.

We need to be sure that we can conduct our lives in a free enviorment. This freedom will come at a price. From the office of the president down to the specialist on the front line are focused to bring us just that. I wish them a swift completion of this task so they can come home and enjoy the freedom that they're providing to all of us. They're going to give us our freedom. They're earning theirs.

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What do Water, Electricity and Humans have in common... They all travel the path of least resistance.

I dont know about it being fun but one thing is for sure, i feel pretty good being able to speak my mind. And im sure that nobody has changed their minds at all.
So i'll play it safe and step away from the post. I value the members of this site and i do not want to jepordize the friendly relationship i have with others here. If i get the urge to scream from my podium, i'll hit a Yahoo message board and the trash will fly!

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Previous setup: 4.1 Buick V-6/TH 350
Current setup: 400 Small Block Chevy V-8/TH 350
9" ford rear end/short bed/blue
What do Water, Electricity and Humans have in common... They all travel the path of least resistance.

[quoteAnd while im at it, i would like to extent my gratitude to the men and women of the U.S. Military. They are living in sub-standard conditions, doing their jobs to the best of their abilities and because of this, i can say and think what i want. God bless each and every one of you that wears the uniform.[/quote]

Here Here!

Daddywabbit mentioned not wanting any special thanks for his service because he saw it as his job, but I'll bet that most people, myself included thinks he/they DESERVE special thanks

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"Rum And Pepsi's Got Your Whole Perception Of Me Sketchy.....Cause When I Stage Dive, People Are Scared To Catch Me"

yep they are! and nope my mind hasn't been changed! lol. but I guess what I find interesting is WHY people think and believe certain things and how certain events have pushed one towards one candidate or another.

I'm glad I got out what my beliefs were, though, and even though I don't agree with Bush supporters, I can respect what they say. Some people say, but HOW can you respect someone who believes in something that opposes your beliefs? Well I dunno, but at least they have thought about it and come to a conclusion. We all have different views and reasons for our beliefs, different life experiences, etc, that shape our decisions, and you can't look down on someone for their beliefs, as long as they've really thought about it, history, and the consequences.

one thing I want to say is that I don't think today's events are directly related to anything from the past. There are so many things going on in the world, and everything is so intertwined with everything else, you can't blame economic problems on 9/11, etc. And even when you do blame something on one person or action, then there's another whole host of debates that stem out of that, you know what I mean?

I'm not gonna comment on anymore comments b/c 1. it's too late now, 2. I'd be here forever replying 3. I don't know much about the military, and I'm not going to argue with those who have served 4. this thread is showing signs of getting out of hand, and 5. no one will change their mind anyways.

well it was fun!

don't forget to vote Kerry!

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Im voting for smiling Bob the enzyte guy.

Bush

Give me a flippin break!!!!!!!!! You call yourself a former Marine ???? Bush is the commander and chief... they were protecting him from harm so he could make the decision to kick ass.

I cant believe some of the crap I am reading from you people!!! How is this kinda junk supposed to make the members on here that are fighting for your right to say this crap feel????

I am sorry for what all of you have said and that thoes that are in arms for this country had to read this crap!!!

I hope for the sake of my son and all the kids in America that Bush does win and finishes the job!!!

So soon some forget that they are the ones that brought this war to the USA now yall want to feel sorry for them???? I dont feel nothing for them !!! I feel for the people that lost loved ones , the kids that have no mom or Dad for the rest of there life!!! I think they are the ones that need the pitty and help not some rag head!!!!!!!!

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WHAT HE SAID.........KERRY

I'm afraid of losing my freedoms in the process of someone else trying to protect them. The homeland security dept.and the patriot act are quite possibly the WORST ideas i have ever heard of...

George Bush has perfected the "Grand Theft Auto School of Diplomacy" It scares the hell out of me at night.

Everybody says that this guy did such a good job after Sept. 11 .......Tell me ......What other performance do we have to judge his conduct by?

In other parts of the government there is a thing called "CONFLICT OF INTREST"how come this principal doesn't apply to the Executive branch of the gov?

The young have alot of objections about re electing bush,.....it's a shame that they just flap there jaws and hardley any of them acualy vote.

Here's a good question......Who here actualy read the whole voter pamphlet?

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I decided to read this thread finally and I'm glad I did. Some interesting points of view in here.

Unfortunately, I also had to edit a couple of your posts and delete all the name calling. Let's remember we are adults and have a debate without flinging sand.

I will say that most of you impressed me by keeping the conversation "above the table". That kind of discussion is always welcome here so carry on...

Too bad we only get to do this every 4 years

I think next time I'm voting for Will Farrell, or maybe that guy who ends up in the basement in "Office Space"...

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Bush!
I agree with Larphead........you don't change coaches in the middle of the game. & YES, I know this is NOT a game!!

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Lookin for another one.

lookin like Bush man is gonna get it

Damn, cause I was in it for Smilin' Bob.

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im for kerry... who cares if hes a 'flip flopper?' at least hes willing to change his desicion for the better, not just continue to forge ahead with something that was wrong in the first place.

i also would like to see more of the third party candidates, they could at least involve them in some of the debates... the system is so rigidly set up for a 2 party system that i dont think it will ever happen.

A little late for that, isn't it?

Anyways... seriously guys... Whether or not we agree with this president and his policies, let's try to stand behind him.

only if he doesn't do stupid things. lol.

http://www.slapthecandidate.com

I was giving Bush a good whooping. lol. got some frustration out. I hope Bush doesn't go gloating around. He doesn't deserve to, it was so close, it coulda gone either way. I think you should only gloat if you won by a landslide, then you know you have full support of your country. Bush only has half. (just like Kerry woulda, I'm not forgetting that) How can you really make decisions on behalf of the country, when one half of the country hates you with a passion and despises everything you do? Because that is what this election has escalated to, pure hatred.

the election really shows just how divided this country is. I feel like we need someone completely new to bring us back together. Hillary in '08! lol. but seriously. How did we get this way? Can the democrats and republicans ever see the same page again? How? hmmm

I feel like we were a united country under Clinton, so the division began with during the last election, I guess. I dunno, I didn't pay much attention to the 2000 election 'cause I wasn't eligible to vote yet. But if Bush was the one who divided the country, why would so many people pick him again? Wouldn't he just make things worse? I guess if you are a staunch republican and you got no one else to vote for...I really don't know. Maybe that just wasn't an important point in this election. I saw on the news this election was about 1. morals 2. economics 3. iraq and 4. something else. so I in my opinion its mostly old vs young people, the young being for Kerry (btw younger voters were expected to have an incredible turn out, I read that it was the same percent as in 2000, 17%. how sad. don't people care?) and the older for Bush. We all know it's mostly older people that vote, so that's why Bush carried the election? I dunno.

Any opinions on the division of the country?

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