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True "tuner" cars can eat a V8. I'm not talking about the "ricer" guys- I mean the ones that build a fast car & know how to drive it. A stock S10 wouldn't last a minute against a real performance vehicle. Heck, back in high school I had a stripped-down LTD w/ a 400. That car was quick. One day I stop-light raced a Camaro & left him in the dust. Next light, a little Toyota came along side & revved his motor at me. I just laughed. Light went green & I had him by half a car legnth for about 100 yards. Then he starts pulling away from me like I'm driving a bone stock LUV. I finally gave up at 100mph- he dusted me like no one had before. Pretty humbling experience for myself.

BTW, the whole "my car's louder than yours" doesn't make it faster or better. If that were true, the "ricers" would be fast......

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

this is a good thread....im getting some popcorn to watch it for a while....MEPR pass the butter please?

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03Cobra

46 stude bring up the 300 propaganda
I will agree whith that alot though, i off road and there have been MANY ocasions where the low end grunt of my F-150s 300 has out climbed the 350s in K-5s. I was able to keep RPM down and wheel spin low so i walked right up a washed out trail. Cylinders dont matter and displacment does and dosnt. A bigger motor will give you better low end thus better lounch times, but the smaller one will wind up higher thus give you more top end. The argument can go forever, but i do like more displacement, you can get top end whith gears
Bottom line though, if a guy makes a Nissan or Honda go fast whith realy methods (IE cams, heads and headers and full exsausts) and not just Nitrous and a fart pipe, i will give them credit. But around here, those type of people are few and far between...

Oh and luv4me, here ya go

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1980 LUV 4x4, going under re-construction...

Ooooohh yeeaah- I love them big 300 six cyl Ford engines. W/ a little work, they haul some serious butt.

Like I've already stated, though- I DO NOT CARE FOR THE IMPORT SCENE. I let my subscription to Hot Rod magazine expire becuz they have added imports to the mix. But trying to say any V8 can whoop a car just because its a FWD is a line of BS.

The idea behind me sticking to this discussion is that people wanted to try to understand why there are import tuners. They are out there because they can build some impressive power out of what normally wouldn't be considered a "hot rod". They are car enthusiasts just like us when it comes right down to it. We won't hang out together at car shows, but they are on a quest to wring real power out of their chosen vehicle- like we RWD hot rodders want to do. Dislike them, laugh & joke about them, but don't try to say just becuz you have more than 4 cyls that you're naturally gonna be faster!

AND THATS DA BOTTOM LINE!

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

my friend has a ford 300 strait six in his mustang and he's selling it for like $200.00 and i have heard good things about them its pertyfast what kindof upgrades are available for his STANG maybe i ll get him to keep it

first-300 six's are badass engines,tons of torque, and they have somewhat of a cool factor to.

second- even if somebody has a real fast tuner, it still doesnt have the cool factor as a v8. so we allow 4 bangers to become hot rods, whats next, street bikes, snowmobiles, a guy can build those to go 10 seconds or less for not real much.

third- i believe it was warren johnson who once said, "watching a turbo charged four banger is like watching paint dry."

and to quote forest gump, "thats all i have to say about that."

My first truck was a '81 Custom F-100 with a 300 6banger in it and I have to say that they are awsome engines and damn near bullet proof. I mean I had a 302 waiting to go in it just as soon as the six gave out on me. I tried everything to blow that engine.... I even went as far as getting the truck up to 55 mph in first gear just to try to get it to grenade but it never did. So I just went ahead and yanked it and sold it to a buddy.
Just my two pennies.
Later,
Husker

your telling me the 300-6 is tough! Man when i broke the clutch linkage in it i got mad at the truck and was running it anyway(start it in gear and just torque shift it) and i was running it in 2nd gear turning about 4000rpm when i jumped a snow bank and blew out my front axle hubs
Then when i tryed to get it out i dont know how hard i was reving it becouse the tach was knocked loose upon impact with the ground
towed it home, found out i was running it whith 3quarts of oil is all and decided maybe its worth keeping...
Besideds it can pull torque wheelies

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1980 LUV 4x4, going under re-construction...

Modified imports ("tuners") are already hot rods- you're just in denial if you don't agree w/ that. How about the SBC when it debuted in the mid-fifties? How many die-hard flathead Ford guys said "that ain't no hot rod motor"? Yet it is now (unfortunately) the most common hot rodded engine on the planet.

Let go of your hatred- feel the force flow thru you and accept the power of the import guys.........

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

thanks MEPR.....munch.....munch......

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03Cobra

Hey, umm, MEPR, luv4me- can one of y'all get me a new soapbox? I've been up on this one so long I'm afraid it might not support me much longer......

Oh yea, and a glass of water. All this preaching has my throat a little dry....

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

*sets a chair in the bed of a truck.....we shall call this your new soapbox.....*comes around the corner with a super soaker.....we shall call this your glass of water.....SPHISHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! HAHA!

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03Cobra

going back to the 300-6....I once heard of someone that was tired of the I-6 and drained all the oil out of it, then run it about 4,000 RPM for a while and it never grenaded....so they put oil back in it and continued to drive it cause they figured it didn't want to die.....now THAT is an engine that wanted to stay together!

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03Cobra

OK, I learned I'd better just ask MEPR for assistance in the future....

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

I agree with you, there is a HUGE difference between ricers and tuners. Sometimes though, the cars that you think are ricers, are really low budget tuners that take a long time to fix up. So there will be a "ricer stage" in the life of every import/sport compact hotrod. But, for the die-hard compact haters, watch out, imports have shattered the 200 mph 1/4 speeds and are right at the back door of many blown big block, tube chassis cars. The first 4 banger import to break 200 in a NHRA sanctioned event was a Honda Civic, 1200 hp of 1.6L fury

For those of you who aren't math geniuses, thats a little under 97 cubic inches. 97!



Also, keep in mind that these cars weigh less than the drivetrain parts on your old V8 hotrod and make as much or more power.

My point is, the next time you see a little "ricer" revving up at you with his souped up Briggs and Stratton honda, don't be so quick to laugh and rev back. He might have a fire breathing, variable valve timing, heavily boosted monster under the hood.

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No LUV anymore, but still in the GM truck family. Running a lifted 2002 Silverado Z-71!

well ricers are everywhere and tuners are nowhere to be found here. i forgot to mention the guy who raced his engine up had dual fart pipes and no rear bumber, just the plastic crush part of the bumper. the tail pipes were about 10 in. from the bumper. that was what was so funny, seeing him race his engine up. the people here have about 10 lbs. of vinyl stickers on them. theres this one car that has the most sticker flames on a car that i have ever seen, and his paint is pealing off and faided. these are the cars i get disgusted with. i respect the tuners, i just wouldn't spend $20,000 on upgrades. another thing that i hate is when someone lowers a car by cutting the springs and not fixing the camber. the wheels are all bowed out at the bottom. you know they are putting tires on every couple thousand of miles. this is what i see everyday on my drive to school. the ricers are what make us look down on the tuners. i'm sure if we saw alot of hot rods with a crap load of vinyl stickers and the wheels bowing, we would have a bad image towards hot rods.

BTW: i don't understand the usefulness of a spoiler that is mounted a foot above the trunk and the size of the trunk.

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1980 chevy luv 4x4 1.8 liter
1979 luv long bed parts truck
1984 2wd isuzu pup parts truck

"A man who says it can't be done shouldn't interrupt a man doing it."

Back in the late '70s- early '80s, we had "ricers" in different cars. They had performance stickers in their rear side windows from every company out there, and did not have any of the products- just like now. They had a glasspack on their stock exhaust & loved to make noise- just like now. They had the rear ends jacked up in the most dangerous way possible instead of cutting springs like they do now. They had wide white-letter tires on slotted mags that stuck out 12" past the fenders. All on a 4 dr '76 Chevy Nova running a 305 that was missing on 2 cylinders. And they thought they were cool- just like now.

Posers are posers. They've been around since rodding was created. Don't let the modern posers be the basis for discounting the real tuner guys. They work hard & want to run fast just like the RWD guys do! Go out & compete against them, beat them if ya can, and show a little respect if ya can't!

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'46 Studebaker truck "project"
'90 Trooper 4X4, 2.6L 5 spd

Also, just to clarify, I gaurantee that the guy who put $20,000 into his car, didn't spend it on performance mods. He probably spent that much on the body kit, wheels, paint, interior, stereo system, a lot of engine dress up parts and maybe a couple hundred on "Go Fast" parts.

But you are right, the rear spoiler thing is pretty funny. Especially on FWD cars that really need all that downforce in back huh?

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No LUV anymore, but still in the GM truck family. Running a lifted 2002 Silverado Z-71!

just my own opinion, if you go import get a supra! those straight six's are impressive...i dont know if any of you were unfortunate enough to watch 2 fast 2 furious...i couldnt stand that movie...they way those imports kept up with the camaro and the charger.....i turned it off right there..
hehe

i have thought about making a sleeper import car. Isuzu Impulse baby. I actually saw one today, whith the Lotus suspension too. Guy driving it thought i was wierd becouse i whent hauling up to him then held even and drooled
But back to the subject. 4bangers now are making more HP than 350 were in the 70s (or at least coming damn close). My brothers Ford Focus ZX3 isnt even the fastest of em and i have run it on the 1/4 becouse i was curious. Whith my basic under standing of where it makes power and good shifting i ran a 15. Its making about 145hp and about the same for torque. The bottom line is, the only constant is change, and this is the change i would say...

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1980 LUV 4x4, going under re-construction...