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 Post subject: Farmer Joe's pup
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:52 pm 
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well, its time to get the thread going for the pup.

ive got the engine rebuilt kit now. its got everything.

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im gonna start tearin into it next week and take the block and head to a machine shop to have the surfaces surfaced.

then im gonna send out one of my core cams to delta, and have them re-grind it to my specs. im gonna go with a 272/272 .425lift with a 110LSA.

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How much did that rebuild kit cost you? I just picked up a g200 from the junkyard that needs a rebuild.

They told me the bottom end was useable and in good condition but when I tore it down it was all worn out. :evil:

Now they dont want to refund me so I am stuck with it. :(

If I could I would throw this thing right through their front window...

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the kit i bought was an autozone premium re-ring kit w/mains. it cost me $223 altogether.

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well the truck doesnt have a battery or a carb anymore. ive finally started raiding part off it for the luv.

i do have some good news though. i talked to the guy atthe machine shop, and im going to have the bottom end balanced. so this little thing should rev like no other.

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It's going to be interesting for me to watch and see how your engine rebuild goes, and what parts the machine shop does for you. I noticed you mentioned a balancing. If the rods have already been with the crank, it should already be balanced. Are you getting new pistons or oversizing your cylinders? As long as you get a matched piston set, it should still be balanced. What about a line bore?

Whatever you do, take your time and do it right. Check all the rings for end gap. Don't trust the manufacturer to have the rings right. Make sure.

Check the fit at the top of the front cover and the block. I'm having my front cover milled down to match the block so I don't leave a nasty gap.

Hope it all goes together nice. How many have you done?

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ive never been into an isuzu motor farther than swappin a head. but ive rebuilt a few smallblock chevys. so the pup motor shouldnt be that hard. if i could find a place to put the pup that isnt out in the weather, id start tearin the motor out as soon as i could. but the weather here has been crappy to say the least.

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Fullaluv, the balancing deal as stated is not entirely correct. If you swap pistons, The new pistons may be heavier or lighter than the old ones, which might necessitate a balance job. An overbore means the piston is larger than the standard, also, a slight increase in the total ring weight. On stocker stuff it's not as critical though. You want to take away weight, not add, so you weigh the piston rod assemblies, and match the rest. Farmer Joe will be revving his to the moon, so I would guess he wants the balance job for a little more performance and piece of mind. :lol:

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ok dont screw it up

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Farmer, I saw in the shoutbox you're going with 11.5 comp. Sounds a little too high for pump gas and a little low for the racey stuff. Me likeey though. :lol:

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11.5 might work with the alum. head if the head gasket is up to it. Fullaluv balancing a stock motor is a good practice cause none are even close even the chevys witch are better balanced the the rest needs it.A 350 stock motor will gain approx. 23-30 HP from balancing alone so the tells you that your motor will be far smoother.Some say it is not necessary but it is usually the one that don't want to pay for it and don't understand the principal behind a good balancing.POINT years ago i did a 1200 Datsun motor balanced it with all stock parts and the difference was it would go up one hill out of town in 4th gear at 3/4 throttle were before it would only go up in 3rd gear.So in my way of building motors the extra 125-150 bucks is money very well spent for power and life of the motor.

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:? Forgot to metion that price is for a V8 4 bangers are cheaper to do

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yeah i really have no clue what the compression will be with this combo im gonna run. im just guessing itll be around 11:1.

im definanlty going to have it balanced though. id like this motor to last a while without having to do alot of stuff to it.

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Wouldn't getting a matched piston set give you a balance? The crank I'm using has the rods that it had before, so the weight on each cylinder should be the same. I spoke with the shop about this already several weeks ago and that was the consensus.

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well just because the rods and pistons are a macthed set doesnt mean its balanced.

balancing an engine is where you find the lightest rod and piston, and you match all the other like it. then the crank is balanced on a lathe type machine, until its balances nuetral. this make everything the same weight, and in turn you dont have one rod and pistion thats heavier than the others slowing things up. they will all operate the same basically.

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The pistons are a matched set. The crank and rods were already together, and should already be balanced. I did have a line bore. The crank was also ground, both the mains and rod journals to .10" under. We'll see.

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well, what i mean by 'matched' is all the rod and piston assemblies are the same weight. then the crank is balanced by drilling material from the counterwieghts. this makes it so the rotating assembly has no opposing weights on either end.

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John, all engines are somewhat balanced, yes. But when building a performance eng. you need to really precision balance the eng. That is what they are talking about. It's not something you needed to do to yours. I did not do it to mine.

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Whew! Okay then. What if I rev it to the tops of the trees?

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