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ok we're down to the wire now...and someone's gotta as the question:

Kerry or Bush?

I'm voting Kerry 8)

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Bush. I have experienced first hand while in the military, policies of a liberal president. Kerry isn't someone I have any confidence in to make things better...(read: less like a socialist nation). I guess I just don't like the modern Democratic party, the party in general has gone downhill since JFK. There is a huge difference between the views a JFK and the socialists that control the party now. I guess the difference for me is liberals want things like universal healthcare that the government will provide for us. I would rather have taxes eased up, let us keep our money so we can afford it on our own. You see I would rather pay my own way, using my money as I see fit instead of someone on the east coast deciding for me.
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P.S. I would like to see the "third party" candidates get more national press so maybe one would have a real shot at the job...

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It don't matter to me which one you guys vote for, as long as the damn U.S./Canada border gets open to Canadian Beef! Its starting to get long and dragged out now, media have exploited it beyond beleif. Would somebody please open the border so we can get both countrys beef industry back into economic stablility. They have tested over 8000 downer beef cows up here, and not one had BSE. Our beef is safe, open the damn border!!

But if I had to pick....Bush would get my vote 8)


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BUSH...................I like me a good BUSH

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Is anyone else running other than Bush???
Did Kerry Finally make up his mind on running?? he hasent on anything else. One thing this country needs now is someone that is not afraid to make a decision nor get it done!!!

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not voting for bush.............He hasnt shown me anything in 4 yrs.YEAH,YEAH.YEAH hes defending our country.I have a hard time swallowing that line.How the hell can you send our troops to a shit whole 3rd world country and ask them to fight a war were our troops have to play by rules and the other guys do as they please..................And look at gas prices... kinda odd the pres is a BIG oil man andhe cant get oil and gas prices down,ooohhh wait that means his buddies wouldnt be getting filthy rich. GOD PLESS AMERICA and BRING BACK CLINTON....LOL :usa


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I am interested in the way this is turning out, I expected more Kerry votes.

I agree that the other candidates should get more national attention, at least respect from the media. I guess it really is true that you gotta have the $$$.

well, the reason I am voting Kerry is primarily because of the war in Iraq. I wouldn't have such a problem with Bush if he hadn't lied about going to war. Also, I can not respect someone who won't admit that they made a mistake, instead he keeps saying that he is 'strong' and whatever, and all those kids are going to stay in Iraq and keep getting killed. Iraq is really just too big of a topic... but I haven't heard what Bush's exit strategy from Iraq is...never? In case you didn't know, here's Kerry's homeland security plan:
Kerry has a five-point plan for improving homeland security which I found on an msnbc website:
1. improving country’s ability to track down terrorists
2. plug security holes at airports, seaports and borders;
3. assess and resolve vulnerabilities within critical transportation sectors, (such as energy, chemical and mass transportation);
4. provide better support to first responders such as police, medical and fire department personnel;
5. revamp the Patriot Act to guard against what he sees as “infringements on civil liberties“. (Kerry also proposes to reorganize the way the country responds to nationwide bioterror threats by putting a single person in charge of national anti-bioterrorism efforts.) Kerry wants first responders to be held to a set of national benchmarks for preparedness. He wants creation of a “new community defense service” staffed by citizens serving as a 21st century neighborhood watch


I also think that there should not be an addition to the constitution banning gay marriage. This is a free country, and despite his personal beliefs, people should be allowed to do what he wants. The bible should not dicate constitutional ammenedments.

Also, Bush is the ONLY president to lose jobs during the presidency since Herbert Hoover, who was president when the great depression hit. At least Herber Hoover had an excuse.

About not being able to make a decision: Bill Maher said this, which I agree with,
"The big knock against Kerry is that he's a flip-flopper; because sometime between the ages of 18 and 60, he's changed his mind." – Bill Maher

"He went to Vietnam because as a young man, he thought that was the right thing to do. He saw what was going on in Vietnam, came back, threw his medals away, changed his mind. Is it wrong that a guy goes to the slaughterhouse and comes back a vegetarian? Isn't that what thinking people do?" – Bill Maher

At least Kerry openly admits to changing his mind, and Bush argues that Kerry can't made a decision, well if Bush didn't change the things Kerry had voted for, then I doubt he would regret voting on something. There's nothing like voting for something and then seeing it morph into something else.

Kerry has an economic plan, as well. It is a very aggressive (yet conceivable) economic plan. He is offering a tax credit for new jobs created, and additional credits to help small and midsize businesses pay for health care for employees, and he would offer a tax break for companies that send back some of the profits being held abroad. Kerry also would reverse recent changes in overtime regulations and support legislation raising the federal minimum wage to $7 an hour by 2007 from the current $5.15. Too many companies are taking their jobs over seas which in return is killing our unemployment rate. The cost of living continues to rise yet minimum wage (which is supposed to be based on the cost of living) remains the same.

Kerry wants to get rid of the SAT and other similar tests, because they are completely unreliable and not a good representation of one's intellect.


Kerry is pro abortion. Again, he is not letting his religious beliefs get in the way of his job. He also thinks that young girls don't have to tell their parents about their abortion, another thing I agree on.

Kerry is against the death penalty. He would like to have it, but the system is too flawed, innocent people have been put to death, and even just one accidental execution is uncalled for. Also, it is more expensive to execute them than to have them sit in jail for the rest of their lives, mostly because they get so many appeals, which costs the states millions in lawyer and court fees.

I strongly believe that Bush is using scare tactics to gain votes among undecided and guillible voters. He never deserved to get into office, and now he's fighting dirty just to stay there.

I am not saying that Kerry doesn't have his faults, or that his plans are absoultely perfect or wonderful. But at least he voices his plans and ideas, Bush just expects people to have faith in him....but....how can I have faith in someone who has just screwed our country for the last four years? I just can't see how one can vote for Bush. When you compare the two, it just seems to me there the choice is easy: Kerry

I just thought that I'd express my reasons for voting Kerry. :)

and I leave you with a quote:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, leader of the Nazi party

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The old man that lived up the road from my parents many years ago used to say this: "When in doubt, always vote for the new guy. At least you know he won't have a four year head start in screwing things up worse."

Bush has the infrastructure already built and the potential to do the most harm. Kerry will be so busy doing the day to day job of being president for the first couple years he won't have time to make such of mess of it with whatever pet projects he takes up. Bush actually surprised me with the damage he's done so far, but when you have an attack on US soil you can use for leverage you get a bit of a boost.

I'll just be happy when all the election marketing is over and we can get back to cat food and KFC commercials. Who lied, who flip flops, who cares? Its all fiction anyway.


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I am voting Kerry is primarily because of the war in Iraq. I wouldn't have such a problem with Bush if he hadn't lied about going to war. Also, I can not respect someone who won't admit that they made a mistake

This makes me shake my head every time I hear it. People have short memories... If you can find them, watch clips from the from the time just before and at the start of the war. He did NOT say that Saddam had wmds, he said we don't know and we're not going to wait to find out.
After 12 years of non compliance, someone finally said enough is enough.
Another thing I don't buy is the "preemptive" war junk. Korea didn't attack us, Vietnam didn't attack us, Germany didn't attack us, but those were ok??
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Everything else aside, it probably won't make much difference whoever is elected. [/code]

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This makes me shake my head every time I hear it. People have short memories... If you can find them, watch clips from the from the time just before and at the start of the war. He did NOT say that Saddam had wmds, he said we don't know and we're not going to wait to find out.
After 12 years of non compliance, someone finally said enough is enough.
Another thing I don't buy is the "preemptive" war junk. Korea didn't attack us, Vietnam didn't attack us, Germany didn't attack us, but those were ok??


but was it really our job to go after Saddam and his "weapons"? no, that was a decision to be made by a group of nations, not just the US going on a power trip. We ran in there by ourselves and look at the price we're paying for it. Bush went in for the wrong reasons and without the support of other nations that would have the resources and abilities to help. First it was trying to find weapons, then it was getting rid of Saddam, then it was 'freeing Iraq' and who knows what it is now. There aren't any weapons, and there's evidence that they knew he didn't have any. At every press release the Bush administration is trying to come up with excuses for the whole thing, they know they've dug themselves in too deep. The Iraqis and everyone else over there hate us and just want us to leave them alone.

We should have been focusing on bin Laden, after all he is the one who attacked the US. Now bin Laden is running free and making more threats.

I didn't say any of those other wars were ok, heck everyone is calling Iraq the new Vietnam, I think that should say enough.

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the fed depo has went out of site with bush,worst job hosting since president hoover,look at the fuel prices....the list goes on ,bush has taken care of his buddys in the oil industry at OUR expense.....if BUSH wins and GOD i hope not you, will see fuel at 3.00 a gallon..how is that to swallow,while his wealthy oil buddys get rich..you gonna suffer.....people need to stop voting the party and vote the man.....Kerry is for the working man and I don't see any millionaires in here...wake up and smell the coffey before its too late,another four years of bush will destroy middle America,course thats what republicans want,the rich and the poor,.........no middle man..jesus god man wake up....and the Iraq war.......he s just like his father a war monger,he keeps saying i can keep america safe........??huh what........whos watch did 911 happen on.........da..pres bush.....thats who...so now he is saying 'I can keep America safe.........he dropped the ball the first time..........and you wanna give him FOUR more years.....i agree bring back clinton /Kerry has a lot of his views........i hope Kerry wins......it will be better for the working man....did you here pres clinton say he was quote=embarrassed getting tax breaks and thousands of dollars back from the govt at YOUR expense cuz Bush gave the wealthy a tax break......

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Bush....you dont change coaches in the middle of a game.

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The Iraqis and everyone else over there hate us and just want us to leave them alone.


the Iraqi people on a whole love us. its the insurgents (most from other countries) that want to kill americans....most of the attacks that are made by an Iraqi national are because someone is holding their loved ones hostage and forcing them to attack americans. ore they offer money. last intel i heard was they offer $70 (USD) for every IED planted.

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This makes me shake my head every time I hear it. People have short memories... If you can find them, watch clips from the from the time just before and at the start of the war. He did NOT say that Saddam had wmds, he said we don't know and we're not going to wait to find out.
After 12 years of non compliance, someone finally said enough is enough.


heres a fun artical kinda about this http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm

ive seen the planes, they are real, ive also seen the holes they dug them out of. now if someone can hide something the size of a damn fighter jet in the desert, im sure a few WMDs wouldnt be a problem.

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The Iraqis and everyone else over there hate us and just want us to leave them alone.


the Iraqi people on a whole love us. its the insurgents (most from other countries) that want to kill americans....most of the attacks that are made by an Iraqi national are because someone is holding their loved ones hostage and forcing them to attack americans. ore they offer money. last intel i heard was they offer $70 (USD) for every IED planted.


I guess you would know more since you've been over there, but I meant that a lot of the Iraqis see us as messing in their business. From what I've read, they blame the US for their loved ones being taken hostage, for their loved ones for blowing themselves up. They see us as the root of the problem. Now of course they had problems over there before, and something needed to be done, but I don't think it was our responsibility, esp without the Iraqi people's permission or at least general approval. I don't really know, it's all so complicated. I just don't think we shoulda gone in there in the first place, not alone, without any support. It just wasn't a smart move at all.

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this aint no game...bush thinks so//real guns and real bullets,i was in the marines.....for your sake and mine........i hope bush gets his walking papers.....iraqs been fighting since the beginning of time,bush thinks we gonna go over there and end it,terrorism or not,those people will never stop,ever ever ever......i really believe people are gonna get in the voting booth and think,can I take 4 more years of this shit......am i better off?course not.....vote Kerry ,the JOB you save may be your own!

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The war on terrorism is not over. To me, this is the most important issue of the election. As for Bush's responsibilities of finding WMDs, i dont care if they were found or not. Sadaam had to go. He was the most obvious alliance to Bin Laden. Eliminating Bin Laden is the biggest priority that this country MUST deal with. After 9/11, i thanked God that Al Gore was not the president. Gore didn't make a serious run for office. I guess he didn't want to deal with all of this. I seriously doubt that Kerry will make any headway on finding him. I feel that the economy slump IS directly related to the 9/11 attacks. neutralizing Bin Laden will allow more breathing room for the entire world.
We need someone in the Whitehouse that will continue the cause to eliminate this brand of terrorism. Bush is commited to this and thats what im looking for in a President. Kerry seems to be a target for any terrorist zealot.
These idiots wouldn't have tried to pull this kind of crap when Regan was in office...

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the 911 has ab NOTHING to do with the economy..... .....i see you are from texas,i should have known......when 911 happened bush was flying as far away as he could instead of taking a closer look, just like a coward and guard duty dodger =that he never showed up on....he is........you have your opinion,i have mine........ bush has sold our jobs overseas.......health care sucks,......i can go on and on....again it seems YOU vote the party...not the man..........911 happened on your mans shift my friend..bush s term...yet we are stronger?i am confused......do you know how many rights he has taken away from you in his four years?

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Um, I highly doubt that Bush should be blamed for the attack on 9/11.
And, if his father would have finished the job he started, we wouldn't be at war right now.
Something had to be done about the situation in Irag, and I am personally glad Bush did it.
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Bush Sr. couldn't push the issue of going after Sadaam. The Gulf war was based on the objective of freeing Kuwait. That was the extent. The objective was met and it wasn't a viable option to go for Sadaam.
As for me being a Texan, that isn't much of an influence on me to steer me to back Bush. The bigger reason was that i surely didn't think that Gore was qualified to do the job. But G.W.'s attitude towards defeating terrorism with such conviction IS very reassuring.
The planning of 9/11 was done during the Clinton administration. So for up to 8 years nothing was done to shut the door on Bin Laden's actions.
NAFTA in itself was the opening of the floodgates to jobs going abroad (A Clinton administration agenda). Major manufacturing was heading south of the border.
As for G.W.'s military record, i have no idea what is true or not. But he stayed in the country and wore the uniform. He didn't spend that time in England "not inhaleing".
I am prior military. I have lived with major restrictions to my life just because i enlisted. Many of those rights are overlooked by the public at large. But once they're held in check, you notice the effect on your life. My life was at an alert status. Anything could happen and any time of day. Well the nation is at alert status and certian rights will have to be compromised for the time being. I for one can deal with it because i've tasted this before. To others, it feels like tyranny. I could say to those to "suck it up and grow a pair" or i could say "It's ok, it's only temporary and once the bogieman is caught, it will be all sunshine and lollypops".
I can go on and on but one thing is for sure, we will not see eye to eye on this matter.
And while im at it, i would like to extent my gratitude to the men and women of the U.S. Military. They are living in sub-standard conditions, doing their jobs to the best of their abilities and because of this, i can say and think what i want. God bless each and every one of you that wears the uniform.

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