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 Post subject: Tricked-out 1.8L
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:08 pm 
I have an 80 Luv 4x4, and I put in a 260 grind cam hoping to overcome the larger tire size. Disappointing! :( I spoke with the guys at Delta Cams here in Tacoma about some options. They told me that in the 80's, Isuzu 1.8L engines were the hot thing for 2 liter class autocross and road racing. They suggested building a head with a 292 grind cam, and feed it through a set of linked carburetors from a big-bore 4 cylinder motorcycle. Has anybody played with a set-up similar to this? Or are there other options while keeping the 1.8L engine?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:49 am 
you could put in a pair of weber DCOE carbs, add a header, bore the engine out and have it ported/polished too


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:22 pm 
billy i hear you homie thats why i am going to save up and go turbo i am going to make the most hp i can out of my little G180 the cam and a header and bore it out are good ways to meke more power but if you want more power go here and talk to this guy:
http://www.giant.net.au/users/wight/Blo ... 0carby.htm
he makes these kits and sells them for 1300$ every thing is included.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:27 am 
Has anyone here installed this turbo on a luv?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:29 am 
so your goin with the turbo kit rms

i got good news for ya its a lil bit cheaper than that price cause
the exchange rate for money our dollar is worth 1.44 aussie dollars it changes every day this site will show you http://www.exchangerate.com dang that makes that kit less expensive like 750 dollars plus shipping which wont be too bad

just to help you out and also he is pricing your kit with a weber carb so if you already have one he told me he would give you bigger turbo or something with more boost 8)

dang the exchange rate went up i checked it last time was 1.33

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:35 am 
dont forget you can have head shaved to up compression
i wouldn't do it with a turbo though you cant have to much compression
with a turbo or you have to put a hell of a lot of money into the motor


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:49 pm 
Money is definately a big issue for me right now! I would rather not opt for boring the engine, partially because I can't afford the parts. For a street screamer, the turbo would be great, but my truck is set up for the dirt, and this option isn't going in the right direction for me. I would like to start with a header... if someone can recommend a place locally to get one. Most people look at me funny when I ask about parts for a Luv truck! Milling the head .005" to 010" sounds reasonable. Any more than that and I worry about predetonation from the weak gas available these days. I will match the ports, but not polish. I'm hoping that the cam and carburetor set-up will do everything I'm hoping for without going too far! What is the going rate for a pair of Webers? And is a manifold available over the counter?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:28 am 
dude cheap place to look is ebaymotors.com
kevin


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:43 am 
hmm, i could've sworn weber made side draft manifolds for the luv...guess i as wrong :? i know there was a company that did at one time or another, somebody sold a set of a different brand of side drafts on here a while back

you could get adventurous and have somebody make you a set of manifolds to run some 40MM DCOEs. they're really less of a manifold and more of an adaptor between the carb and the head, since you have one barrel aimed at each intake port...

you can buy a weber 38DGS downdraft kit though. much cheaper than going with duals and probably more maintenance free


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:31 pm 
Thanks for all the insight guys! If there is a kit for a downdraft weber, that might do it. If I go with 4 side draft carburetors, mfg adapters won't be a problem. I've been doing CAD design and CNC work for better than a decade. Just gotta talk my buddy into donating some machine time!


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For some inspiration, check out http://www.hotgemini.com and see what they do with Isuzu motors. Dual Webers, blow through carb superchargers, pretty much whatever you can think of they've tried it and moved on to something else already.

Before I spent a lot of time pushing a 1.8 to go fast, I'd be thinking about using a 2.3L or 2.6L Isuzu motor and building off that. There is no replacement for displacement, even when its just a half liter or so.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:37 pm 
True words!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:18 am 
will the 2.3L bolt right into a luv and will my weber carb still fit onto it i am a cheap ass that carb cost me 400$ becasue i could just rip my 1.8L out and find a 2.3L and more tahn likely it will have a 5-spd bolted up to it. but is the trooper the only truck i can get the 2.3L out of because if so i dont have 4x4 system and that wont work so what other trucks have the 2.3L in them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:47 am 
Hey Kevin!

I, curious about that same question. I think, in the long run, it would be cheaper to upgrade to bigger engine. The cost of an engine from a yard should be pretty cheap, but What vehicles come with what motors that will bolt in? I like my 4-speed, and would rather nor change. My truck will never be a "Freeway Flyer", I just want as much grunt as possible for the boonies! And like you, I'm sure, money is a driving force in sorting through the options!!! One big question I have... Do all of these motor options share the same head? I am guessing yes. Based on SBC and BBC. Can someone chime in with the lowdown?

Billy Bones


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:46 pm 
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Ok, guess its time for some 'Zu motor spec throwdown. I do have this started as sort of a writeup, but I've been waiting until I do some work on my Trooper to nail down exactly some of the "maybes". I'll try to cover the gist of it here though.

I'm leaving out the 75 and older style LUV motor, it is wildly different than everything that came after. Motor mounts on it are different from everything that came after, and so forth. If you have a 75 or older LUV, going up to 2.3 or 2.6 is more like a typical engine swap with fabbing motor mounts and etc.

G180: 1.8L Arrived in LUVs in 76, crossflow head, round intake and square exhaust ports.
G200: 1.9L Externally identical to the G180, just bored slightly bigger inside.
G160: 1.6L Heard of them in places other than the US, looks the same but obviously smaller displacement.

The heads on G-series motors appear to be basically the same. Some 1.9s do have a mechanical fuel pump bolted to the left front of the head and run off a deal on the end of the cam. There are also some rarely seen overseas G series motors with dual overhead cam, sure we'd love to have one but I think I've only ever seen one picture of one so far.

Starting with the Turbo Impulse, Isuzu started the 4xZ1 line. They are all very similar, but there are some subtle differences that have to be addressed for cross compatibility. They are based off the G-series design, but with some changes like a timing belt instead of a chain, cast aluminium valve cover, disti driven off the cam in the back of the head instead of in front on the block, and etc.

4CZ1: 2.0L came out in 85 I believe. The turbo impulse motor, fuel injected, turbo, ~140HP
4ZD1: 2.3L came out in 86 used in Troopers, Impulses, Pickups, Amigos. Up to 93 carbureted and after that fuel injected. Carb models have a mechanical fuel pump stuck in under the intake run off a lobe on the cam. Rated for 90HP in carb'd models
4ZE1: 2.6L Used in Troopers, pickups, amigos, and I think even Rodeos. Showed up in mid 87, fuel injected. Intake and exhaust ports are compatible with 2.3L, the 2.0 has smalled intake ports but it will bolt up. Rated for ~120HP

The heads for each are different. The 2.0L has smaller intake ports and the 2.3L has a smaller combustion chamber than the 2.6L They will fit together, but the compression ratio can get way too high to be usable.

On motor mounts, to my eye the 2.3L mounts in my trooper look just like 1.8L mounts from my LUV. I think that it should bolt up with at most a mix/match of mounts and brackets to the block. The 5 spd trans is longer than the LUV 4spd, so there is tranny mount work to do but its not too bad.

Up to mid 87 the 4x4 4spd and 5spds are basically identical other than adding that OD gear, so ratios stay the same just with better mileage. (My 86 trooper was getting 27-28 compared to 20 in my 4x4 LUV with a 1.8L and a few hundred pounds less to drag around.) In mid 87 when the 2.6L arrived the tranny changed a lot. It could still be bolted up with some creativity, but the cable clutch is gone in favor of a hydraulic.

There are quite a few little differences between the 2.3L and the 2.6L that make a straight swap a little complex, but it can be done. The change to the trans with the 2.6L meant a change to the rear trans adapter plate so to be "bolt up" to a 2.3L trans the plate has to be changed. This would apply to a 1.8L trans as well I think, as the 2.3L and 1.8L are actually straight bolt up compatible. The spacing is different between the two on the accessory pulleys, but if you get a loaded 2.6L you can bring it all across. The 2.3L is really easier to get into a LUV without having to collect a slew of parts to get it bolted up to the LUV gear, but the 2.6L would make some good power.


To answer a few of the questions from above:
Weber: the same carb can work, but the adapter plate is different on the 2.3L intake. The bolt pattern is not the same and the 1.8L adapter just will not fit.

Pickups came in 2WD with a 2.3L and 5spd. For the sake of ease of install and putting the weber on it, get one from 86-93 and the earlier the better.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:03 pm 
WOW!!! Thanks a heap for the run-down. A big reason for asking about interchangeability is that I aquired a spare head while "horse-trading" Luv trucks and parts a short time ago. I was thinking of tricking-out the spare head, then bolting it on and raising hell! I'll have to keep an eye out for 2.3L motor. This sounds like the best choice if I have the cash for a bigger motor. Mucho Gracias Hermano!!!


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Ok I know your all gonna think im crazy and wonder why I'm doing this, but i was wondering i read that the G series manifolds will bolt onto the 2.3l and 2.6l engines is this true, and is there any other work that may need to be done??

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Dustinicus wrote:
Ok I know your all gonna think im crazy and wonder why I'm doing this, but i was wondering i read that the G series manifolds will bolt onto the 2.3l and 2.6l engines is this true, and is there any other work that may need to be done??


it will bolt on...but the ports don't all line up. If you want to carb a 2.6 grab the carby intake off a 2.3 and call it good

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:36 am 
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no i want to EFI a G180, and how do they not line up? and is the coolant port an issue if i do go this route?

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