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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:26 am 
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I have been lookin for a decent one for a work truck for a while and finally came across a 79 for dirt cheap. Only hangup is that it was abandoned at the guys house buy his buddy who went to jail and won't be getting out. Yea one of those deals and normally I just turn away and walk off but I said what the heck I'll give it a shot. So my options so far are find a title for it from another truck which isn't the legit thing to do.....try to go through all the legal channels which might not pan out after months or years...or???? What do you guys think other than part it out. I live in Washington State.
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Check with your DMV about abandoned vehicle registration. Also check on lien sale form for the reimbursement of removal and storage cost of abandoned vehicle. You can get a letter from the owner of the property that you removed the abandoned vehicle from his property. Good luck.

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I did something similar to this in Montana with a car years ago. It was abandoned on my property by my ex son-in-law. He owed me money, wouldn't pay and wouldn't send me the title so I got it on an abandonment title. That wasn't that difficult actually. I'm not sure if this would work for you or not since it wasn't abandoned on your property. It might be easier to have your buddy who owned the property get the Abandonment title, then transfer it to you as though you bought it from him. Like I said, it wasn't that difficult here. If I remember correctly I had to run an ad in the newspaper saying who's vehicle I had and how long it was on my place and they needed to come remove by a certain date. Once that expired I had a DMV form signed by a Deputy Sheriff saying that the vehicle I was trying to take control of was indeed THAT VEHICLE. I did have to get a BONDED title which cost me a few extra $$$'s, that was the states way of having insurance on the title in case the original owner came back and wanted to somehow sue.

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washington state is easy, go to dmv, tell them what happened, they will give you paperwork to mail to the old owner, you send it certified, no one signs for it, it will get returned to you, you take the un opened mail back to DVM, they will issue you a temp title, after 5 years if the legal owner never come forward, the issue a normal title.

Sometimes they will waive the 5 years depending on the last time the car had tabs. You can also have the land owner, where you got it at, write a letter stating it was abandoned including the year it was abandoned.

I have done a 2 cars and one motorcycle.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:26 pm 
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washington state is easy, go to dmv, tell them what happened, they will give you paperwork to mail to the old owner, you send it certified, no one signs for it, it will get returned to you, you take the un opened mail back to DVM, they will issue you a temp title, after 5 years if the legal owner never come forward, the issue a normal title.

Sometimes they will waive the 5 years depending on the last time the car had tabs. You can also have the land owner, where you got it at, write a letter stating it was abandoned including the year it was abandoned.

I have done a 2 cars and one motorcycle.



You will also need to have it inspected by the WSP.
You will not get a title,but you will be Registered owner.
The last time I did it,it was only a 3 year wait until I was able to file for an actual title.

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I'm in Calif. I went thought a lengthy process on one of my trucks that I built from parts.
Part way through it I realized that the vin inside the door is pop riveted in place and is VERY easy to change.
What I could have and should have done is simply changed the vin to one I had the proper papers on.
That's may plan next time around. It might be that you could do the same thing with a parts truck with proper papers.


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Wow thanks for all the replies...One question on the guys that have done this in washington. What happens if the letter gets signed for?


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but the vin is also on the dash in the front drivers side of all vehicles and inside the firewall too so its not that easy lol


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I'm in Calif. I went thought a lengthy process on one of my trucks that I built from parts.
Part way through it I realized that the vin inside the door is pop riveted in place and is VERY easy to change.
What I could have and should have done is simply changed the vin to one I had the proper papers on.
That's may plan next time around. It might be that you could do the same thing with a parts truck with proper papers.


My friend went to jail for that, got 6 months, don't know the details but lost the car since he could not come up with 2 pinks, one for the vin on there and one for the original vin. It's called vin tagging. There are other vins trough out the truck.

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but the vin is also on the dash in the front drivers side of all vehicles and inside the firewall too so its not that easy lol


Do you have pics on were these other vins are? My truck has been to Auto Club who refered me to CA. DMV who refered me to CHP to varify the vin. Auto Club and DMV could not find but one vin. I have not gone to CHP cause my truck is down right now. If I can find another vin besides the one on the door pillar, I can get Auto Club to finish my reg. Thanks for the info.

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There is another VIN # stamped on the crossmember next to the gas tank under the truck. You would probably have to get a wet rag with soap to find it.

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Wow thanks for all the replies...One question on the guys that have done this in washington. What happens if the letter gets signed for?


I honestly couldn't tell you for sure what would happen,I've always gotten the unopened letter back.
The address which the DMV will have you send the letter will be the last address used to register the vehicle,so if the guy is in jail you should have no worries.

The "letter" is actually a release of interest form filled out for the vehicle.
So,if the letter were signed for and opened then one of 2 things Might happen.

1.You receive a signed release of interest and you are able to get a clear title on it.

2.You might have someone come looking to get their vehicle back.


Keep in mind that if you get it as registered owner only,that the legal owner can show up any time during the 3-5 year waiting period and claim the vehicle,and that includes all work and parts you may have put into it.

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Well got it running and it runs better than my everyday driver... Stopped at the local licensing place today and they pretty much confirmed what has already been said. I have gotten a little more of the story about it but it's just a story so I'm not sure how much truth is to it. But the guy I got it off of thinks the guy that went to jail bought it off his girlfriend at the time but got hauled off before he finished paying her for it. Plan is to track down the registered owner and try to work something out with her if its still in her name. I just can't justify the three year deal because I just know it will come back to bite me.


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There is a stamped VIN # on the fire wall, below the windshield, on the drivers side. You remove the wiper arms, and that drain/grill thing. It's stamped into the cab-metal under there.

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but the vin is also on the dash in the front drivers side of all vehicles and inside the firewall too so its not that easy lol


Do you have pics on were these other vins are? My truck has been to Auto Club who refered me to CA. DMV who refered me to CHP to varify the vin. Auto Club and DMV could not find but one vin. I have not gone to CHP cause my truck is down right now. If I can find another vin besides the one on the door pillar, I can get Auto Club to finish my reg. Thanks for the info.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:07 pm 
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Here are two stories were the OG owner gets their car back after it was stolen years ago. Click on the title to read stories

Stolen truck back in right driveway after nearly 40 years
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MODESTO -- Here's an auto theft story of which Modesto can actually be proud:

One late afternoon in July 1972, Harold Voelker walked out of his Los Angeles workplace expecting to climb into his 1956 Ford F-100 pickup and head for home.

Just one problem: Someone had stolen his beloved truck.

He filed a police report and got a call from authorities three weeks later.

"We found your truck," the officer told him.

But when he went to get it, they showed him a 1954 Ford that clearly wasn't his '56 model.

"(Thieves had) switched the license plates," Voelker said.

In the 38 years since, Voelker occasionally pondered the fate of his Ford, which he never expected to see again.

He could quit wondering after receiving a call last week from California Highway Patrolman Greg Bennett in Modesto.

"I told him who I was and said I wanted to talk about stolen vehicles," Bennett said. "He said, 'I don't know anything about stolen vehicles.' But then you he could hear the little bells going off inside his head. He said, 'You mean a 1956 Ford stolen in 1972?' He knew immediately what it was and when it was stolen."

Better yet, Voelker proved he owns the truck. He still has the original pink slip from when he purchased it in 1967.

Tuesday, thanks to Bennett and an honest pair of Modesto residents, he got it back.

"You don't know how excited I've been the last week," said Voelker, who drove up to Modesto from Southern California with his wife, Valerie.

Of course, whenever there's a theft, there's a victim. In this case, there might be many along the way.

Certainly, Voelker became one in 1972. Add to the list the couple who surrendered the Ford. A Modesto woman was given the truck by her father in Texas, who had owned it for 11 years. Apparently, Texas officials never closely checked the vehicle identification number, which are to vehicles what DNA is to humans.

The truck had Texas tags in the window, and the woman's father no doubt thought he'd bought a truck legally when he purchased it in 1999, Bennett said.

The VIN on the pickup door had been covered or replaced by a newer one. When the Modesto couple took the pickup to the Department of Motor Vehicles in Modesto two weeks ago to license and register it, a DMV official noticed the suspicious VIN and sent them to the CHP office in Salida for a closer look.

Bennett knows where to locate the VIN in different places on a vehicle. When he found the number on the Ford's chassis, it didn't match those in the cab. He then searched the vehicle registration database and found Voelker as the last registered owner of the 1956 Ford F-100 pickup reported missing in 1972.

Since then, "I found three owners," Bennett said. "There's a window of 23 years where I don't know where it was."

He's solved many of these thefts before, but never one that had been stolen so long ago.

"The last (longest) was about 25 years," Bennett said. "It doesn't happen very often, but it can happen."

While Bennett was thrilled to return the pickup to Voelker -- its rightful owner -- he also feels for the couple who gave up a truck that had been in their family for 11 years.

"They're not happy," he said. "They're frustrated, which I can understand. Somebody's overjoyed. On the other hand, somebody's upset, and rightfully so."

It doesn't matter, he said. The pickup belongs to Voelker.

As for its condition, it was pale yellow when it was stolen. Now it's white.

It got a new engine.

"It had a Y-block 292 (cubic-inch) V-8," Voelker said. "Now, it looks like a Mustang 282."

It had stainless steel hubcaps. Now it has alloy wheels.

"Those are coming off," Valerie Voelker said.

Tuesday afternoon, with his wife following in their RV, Harold Voelker headed down Highway 99 behind the wheel of the Ford he loved and once lost.

They have some serious catching up to do.

And Modesto, which takes a beating because so many cars are stolen here, can feel good about reuniting an owner and his stolen pickup 38 years after the fact.




Read more: http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2010/06/19 ... z0reMg9sW8



Oregon State Police return a '40 Plymouth sedan stolen 21 years earlier
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Browsing through eBay, it us quite common to come across an ad for an older car that is without a title. Before bidding on the item, perhaps it would be a good idea to make sure that the seller has the right to sell the car. Case in point: Bruce Rask of Rainier, Oregon just received his 1940 Plymouth sedan back 21 years after it was originally reported stolen. It is unclear where the car went after being stolen in August of 1986, but it was recently purchased by a man in Sheridan, Oregon who bought the car without a title. Despite the fact that the man who purchased the car did not know that it was stolen, he very well may be out the money he spent on the car, as it is being return to Rask, the rightful owner.

Trooper Jeff Dickerson of the Oregon State Police says, "Never buy a motor vehicle from a third party without a title to the car. If the seller is unable to provide a title to the vehicle, there is a very good chance the seller is not authorized to be making the sale at all. You could end up losing what you paid for the vehicle if it can be shown it actually belongs to someone else." This story brings meaning to the saying, "Buyer Beware"!

[Source: KATU News - Portland, Oregon]


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There is another VIN # stamped on the crossmember next to the gas tank under the truck. You would probably have to get a wet rag with soap to find it.

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There is a stamped VIN # on the fire wall, below the windshield, on the drivers side. You remove the wiper arms, and that drain/grill thing. It's stamped into the cab-metal under there.

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but the vin is also on the dash in the front drivers side of all vehicles and inside the firewall too so its not that easy lol


Do you have pics on were these other vins are? My truck has been to Auto Club who refered me to CA. DMV who refered me to CHP to varify the vin. Auto Club and DMV could not find but one vin. I have not gone to CHP cause my truck is down right now. If I can find another vin besides the one on the door pillar, I can get Auto Club to finish my reg. Thanks for the info.



Thanks, I'm check both those places.

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Well got it running and it runs better than my everyday driver... Stopped at the local licensing place today and they pretty much confirmed what has already been said. I have gotten a little more of the story about it but it's just a story so I'm not sure how much truth is to it. But the guy I got it off of thinks the guy that went to jail bought it off his girlfriend at the time but got hauled off before he finished paying her for it. Plan is to track down the registered owner and try to work something out with her if its still in her name. I just can't justify the three year deal because I just know it will come back to bite me.


You need to make an invoice for removing and storing the abandoned vehicle, just like impound, those fees must be paid before release of the vehicle. We went through this when we removed a vehicle from a property by the property owner and the owner of the cars tried to say we stole it. The renter had contacted us to remove it, but we contacted to the owner of the property to contract us. The owner of the property had served this guy with an eviction noticed prior to us removing the cars. He ended up pay for the fees before getting his two cars back.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Found the VIN, thanks for the 411-

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Well got all the paperwork mailed off to the last registered address today should be there tomorrow and they have 15 days to sign for it so we'll see.


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Good Luck !! 8)

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