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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:35 pm 
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My '80 needs a tune-up pretty damned bad. And I'm a total newb when it comes to that kind of stuff. Aside from the super obvious stuff. I tried doing a little searching on the forum, but I'm kinda fallin' asleep at the computer so I figured this would be easier...

What "tune-up process" do y'all run?

I'm plannin' on doin' all the usual stuff like I would on my old Ford. Plugs, wires, oil change, air filter, fuel filter, dist cap and rotor... Anything else?

Truck has an electric fuel pump and a Mr. Gasket fuel pressure regulator. How do I know where the regulator should be set at? I think the truck is running a little lean.

Any tips to tuning the timing and carb? I'm don't know anything about that.

Also, I don't think all the vacuum lines are hooked up right. I need to go through the whole engine compartment and see about routing all of those. Would that affect how the truck runs?




Thanks for answering my newb questions, and me not searching.
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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:00 pm 
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welcome! you'll find that many are willing to help here. so....


check to see that your timing is set correctly. my factory manual says it's supposed to be @ 6 deg BTDC.

also, check the points and make sure they are gapped to spec. i will re check the actual setting, but i think i gapped mine at .016" or so. i could be wrong, but ill check again.

if the points are worn, just replace them. make sure you change the condenser too!


as far as the vacuum lines, there should be a diagram under the hood that shows the correct routing for everything. if not, i can post a picture of it.

i recommend you find yourself a factory service manual (not a haynes or chilton, but a FACTORY GM version for your year) They pop up on ebay from time to time.


if you need any other help, just ask!

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Figuarus wrote:
check to see that your timing is set correctly. my factory manual says it's supposed to be @ 6 deg BTDC.

Guess I'll be buying/borrowing a timing light...

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also, check the points and make sure they are gapped to spec. i will re check the actual setting, but i think i gapped mine at .016" or so. i could be wrong, but ill check again.

I know points are part of the distributor sensor. But I don't know anything about them. What exactly are they?

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if the points are worn, just replace them. make sure you change the condenser too!

How do I know if the points are worn? Is it obvious? And what condenser are you talking about?

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as far as the vacuum lines, there should be a diagram under the hood that shows the correct routing for everything. if not, i can post a picture of it.

I'll look under the hood, and report back tomorrow.

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i recommend you find yourself a factory service manual (not a haynes or chilton, but a FACTORY GM version for your year) They pop up on ebay from time to time.

I've got a Chilton. But I'll shop E-Bay. Hopefully something will turn up that won't cost me an arm and a leg. All I really have to offer right now is a rib.


Thanks for the quick reply, btw! and sorry I'm such a newb.

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:signwelcome Fuel pressure regulator should be set at 2 1/2 to 3 lbs. I have a Clymer manual for my Luv which I think is the best service book if you can't get a GM factory book.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:14 pm 
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as far as the points go, it's just a small spring loaded contact on the underside of the distributor cap that opens and closes to provide spart to the plugs.

the condenser is a small silver (or dirty silver) component that looks like a small bottle with a wire coming out of it. you usually replace it along with the points. Think of it as an overflow bottle for electricity.

i remember someone in this particular forum asking about it before. ill look it up and you will see what they look like

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Where do these connect too?

I'm pretty sure this goes to the check and relief valve. But I can't find where that is. The other line that connects to the check and relief valve (from the oil pan) is just hanging loose. I figure that's a bad thing. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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This one though, I have NO CLUE. I can't find it on the vacuum hose diagram.
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The first one (larger, points towards the exhaust side of the engine) goes to the smog pump. If you don't have one, cap it off as it lets dirty air in around the air filter but it should not affect running. It feeds clean filtered air into the smog pump system. The second (smaller, points toward the firewall?) goes the the air vent valve from the fuel tank (also connects to the oil pan) that should be hooked to the firewall not far from that connector. Again it shouldn't affect running too much, but you don't want it open really either.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:23 am 
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sorry for being late, i had to look through all my pictures...

the second pic you posted is the check valve that equalizes pressure in both the fuel tank and oil pan.

if you dont have a smog pump, plug that first pic's inlet.

if you intend to remove all of the smog equip, make sure you plug everything except the vacuum advance

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:24 am 
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also, this is some information to have handy...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:27 am 
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My truck doesn't have a tach. How am I suppose to know at which RPM the engine is running?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:10 am 
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Figuarus wrote:
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sorry for being late, i had to look through all my pictures...

the second pic you posted is the check valve that equalizes pressure in both the fuel tank and oil pan.

if you dont have a smog pump, plug that first pic's inlet.

if you intend to remove all of the smog equip, make sure you plug everything except the vacuum advance


I know I have a vacuum leak somewhere. I will asume that it goes with the stock carb?


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My truck doesn't have a tach. How am I suppose to know at which RPM the engine is running?


I went out and bought a cheap one for 30 dollars from Auto Zone.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:30 am 
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GIJoe4500 wrote:
My truck doesn't have a tach. How am I suppose to know at which RPM the engine is running?


I have a Tach/Dwell/Volt meter that I use for engine tuning. If you have points then you really do need a dwell meter. I have this one

http://www.amazon.com/Actron-CP7605-Tac ... 106&sr=8-1


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:33 pm 
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For the price of a set of points $8 it's a good idea to go ahead and replace them. Also I finally took the time to adjust the valves which is free. possibly one of the best things i've done for it. I was getting around 18-20 mpg before I did it, no joke afterwards it's got a ton more power and It's now getting 24-26 mpg. The only mod I've got is a Webber.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:38 pm 
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For the price of a set of points $8 it's a good idea to go ahead and replace them. Also I finally took the time to adjust the valves which is free. possibly one of the best things i've done for it. I was getting around 18-20 mpg before I did it, no joke afterwards it's got a ton more power and It's now getting 24-26 mpg. The only mod I've got is a Webber.


I'll be sure to do that. I have no clue how to adjust valves, but it can't be that hard. I just gotta do some reading on how. I just picked up a set of Craftsman feeler gauges today, so I'm a step in the right direction! lol

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when you do the adjustment, make sure the cam lobes are pointed down. this will give you a more accurate clearance

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:56 am 
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The condenser is a capacitor in that it stores and amplifies the voltage giving a higher voltage when trigger.

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