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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:08 pm 
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im not sure which section this post should go so if i was wrong go ahead and tell me and ill move it. but im now living in Ok and do not require smog like in Ca so i want to take all of it off. so if someone who has done it can explain all the steps and maybe have pics it would be great appreciated thanks


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Hmmm....it's been a while, but back when I was still running a G180...

I removed the smog pump

I took the egr off off the intake and plugged the hole (And ported /polished the inside of the real poorly casted/machined stock intake while I had it off.)

I took the crossover tube that goes between the exhaust and intake off, cut the tube, and put the fiitings back in after I welded the fittings shut

I took the air injection rail off, cut the tubes out of the nozzles that screw into the head, threaded the centers of the nozzles, and plugged them with allen screws and small copper washers

Basically..I only left the vacuum advance for the distributor and the pressure relief for the oil pan connected to the intake. And everything else that wasn't absolutely necessary to make it run went into the trash.

IMHO..the guys that designed all that crap were as talented as a bunch of monkeys trying to hump a football...lol

You will gain a bit of hp/torque if you remove it all...but if you ever want to sell it (I know...shame on me for even suggesting that...lol) you might want to keep that stuff around just in case the next guy that gets your truck has to pass smog.


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do you remember how much better your luv performed after you did all that?

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Under Federal law it is illegal to remove the smog equipment. However if you don't have inspections then as stated above retain all the parts. You will need them when your state starts an inspection program.

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Thanks for the tips tumwatertaz!

I'm losing all of our smog junk.

I'm in Texas... where Federal law means less and less each passing day...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:42 am 
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ya i lived in cali and the smog there is brutal. i moved out here to oklahoma and there is pretty much no laws for smog here at all. so im tired of it and want it off. even new cars dont require smog here

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Plugging the EGR fittings at both manifolds: cut pipe in two, slide the flared pieces of pipe out of the screw-in fittings. Use a 1/4" (I think) standard pipe tap to thread the inside, screw in the proper size pipe plug with some teflon tape, screw the plugged fittings back into the manifolds. Plug the air injector ports similarly.
If you replace the air cleaner hold down stud with a longer one you can replace the standard air filter with one from a 231 Buick v6- same diameter, 2" taller.
Pacesetter #1105 headers will drop right in now that the air pump is out of the way and the EGR is off.

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do you remember how much better your luv performed after you did all that?


As I remember, when I did that I also put on a pacesetter header and weber carb. All of that made a huge improvement in it's performance and actually improved my gas mileage a bit. The stock carb really is a worthless POS, and you can buy a used weber 32/36 cheap on ebay. Most are sold with the adapter plate, air filter and cover, etc. And a rebuild kit for one is very cheap and they are one of the simplest carbs to rebuild ever made.

FYI.. if you are going to go that far, you should also try to get your hands on an Offy intake from Mokadeth or somewhere, and get in touch with Delta Cams and have them fix you up with a custom ground cam. Accel makes a higher output coil cheap, and finding a newer electronic dist/ign module from a junkyard to replace the old points dist helps a lot too. You can also swap out your old 35 amp alt for a 50 amp one (they both cost the same) by just replacing the wire and fuseable links that run from your alt to your battery with a heavier guage wire and a couple of 50 amp fuses.

IMHO...it's all not that expensive considering it will all double a G180's hp/torque. Add a 5 speed and rear-end from a newer Pup to the mix and you'll have one fun to drive and cheaper to drive truck....for sure.

Besides...it will all keep you busy and out of mischief for a while....lol


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:16 pm 
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okay well i have another question for the 5 speed swap then, i might have just found an 89 pup that is complete but the motor is seized if i get it would i be able to swap everything i need from there? mine is an auto tranny that is currently out of the truck right now. how hard would the conversion be to put the 5 speed in when i have the set up for auto?

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You will need the clutch/brake pedal setup for a Luv first, figure out how to set up your clutch linkage (cable? hydraulic?),then you will have to use the front driveline yoke for the 5 speed because the splines for a 4 speed vs a 5 speed yoke are way different.

If you are changing rear ends too, then you will have to use your old leaf springs to keep your rear wheels centered in your rear wheel wells, and relocate the little bracket on the rear end housing that the rear brake line junction bolts to.

It definitely can be done though. Going from a stock Luv with an automatic to a built engine with a 5 speed and newer heavier rear-end would be a big step in power, performance, and fuel economy. I've driven a stock Luv with an auto trans before and they just about define the word "gutless"....lol


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hey,I resemble that remark :oops: taz,I picked up a header and a head w/ the machine work done and a rv cam today! care to guestimate your hp output? i will soon be running a setup very similar to yours.

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Yeah, I when I removed my smog crap, I heated the exhaust manifold up with a propane torch and removed the fitting for that EGR tube. Then got a nice allen head plug and screwed that in the hole. Did the same on the 4 holes for the manifold that goes to the smog pump. Turned out really nice. The plugs are like 2.50 apiece at a good hardware store but it's worth the money not to have bolts sticking out of your exhaust manifold. Sure looks nice with the chrome carb in and all that ugly smog crap and old air cleaner gone. Makes it easier to work on the motor too. I got a piece of hose and installed a chrome oil breather on top of the motor where it comes out of the valve cover. I know there are some pics in the boards of different ways to set it up. I passed emissions in Portland, OR with the Weber and no smog stuff. They don't really care as long as they see the Non Catalyst sticker and you are within regulation on emissions. Truck runs way better with the Weber. Definitely get rid of the POS stock carb. You will need to cut your throttle cable, and it will barely reach, so leave as long as possible and you can hook up to the new weber cable mount pretty easily. The hook up for the Weber electric choke is only one wire, so it's easy to do.

I agree- lose the points ignition system. I know a lot of guys do an MSD style. I currently have the Trooper motor and it has an ignition coil that's electric, but doesn't need the MSD box or any computer controls. Not sure if you can swap the whole distributor and coil over to the 1.8 motor, but it looks like you can. I got it out of an '86 Trooper. I think any Isuzus before 87 should work. You would have to check it out at the junkyard to see if it's possible.


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last night i called about that pup and its an 89 with 5 speed and everything is there and complete. he said he thought the motor was seized but didnt use a wrench on it he wanted 350 for it. you think its worth it? i could use the tranny, rear end and power steering out of it at least. what do you think?

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Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.


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Alright, so the EGR is actually there to compensate for the lack of lead in the gasoline. It's an anti-pinging device, and effectively raises the octane rating of the air-fuel mixture that enters the cylinder. It slows down the burn process, just like higher rated fuel at the pump.
Why does everyone insist on removing this stuff? It doesn't rob any power.

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ret1614 wrote:
Why does everyone insist on removing this stuff?



Because it was government mandated?

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i got my trans and rearend out of 89 pup and it is the one with the remote box on top that means the shifter is about 4-6 inchs back i also had to move the axle pads out 1" for both sides that is with my 76 stock springs and it comes with a 2 peace drive shaft well mine did :ebiggrin

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swet4more wrote:
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Why does everyone insist on removing this stuff?



Because it was government mandated?



Hahahahaaha! BTW both the EGR valves I have removed were completely clogged with black buildup and were not functional at all. So was the intake valve port. So get rid of it- it's ugly and useless!


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Why does everyone insist on removing this stuff?

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LOL...

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Alright, so the EGR is actually there to compensate for the lack of lead in the gasoline. It's an anti-pinging device, and effectively raises the octane rating of the air-fuel mixture that enters the cylinder. It slows down the burn process, just like higher rated fuel at the pump.
Why does everyone insist on removing this stuff? It doesn't rob any power.


Uhhhh...m'kay. Actually...for those here that are curious:

The EGR valve, or Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve, is a vacuum controlled valve which recycles a specific amount of your exhaust back into the intake manifold. It helps your car more efficiently and completely burn fuel by recirculating a portion of your exhaust and running it through the combustion process again. The exhaust your engine's EGR valve recirculates into it's combustion chamber also helps prevent the formation of Nitrogen related gases. These are commonly known as NOX emissions, and are a common cause for failing emissions testing.

In a gasoline engine, this inert exhaust re-routed to the intake displaces the amount of combustable matter in the cylinders. This means the heat of combustion is less, and the combustion generates the same pressure against the piston at a lower temperature.

Because NOx formation progresses much faster at high temperatures, EGR reduces the amount of NOx the combustion generates. NOx forms primarily when a mixture of nitrogen and oxygen is subjected to high temperature. In a typical automotive gas engine, 5 to 15 percent of the exhaust gas is routed back to the intake as EGR. The maximum quantity is limited by the requirement of the mixture to sustain a contiguous flame front during the combustion event. Excessive EGR in any gas engine can cause misfires and partial burns.

Although EGR does measurably slow combustion, this can largely be compensated for by advancing spark timing. The impact of EGR on engine efficiency largely depends on the specific engine design, and sometimes leads to a compromise between efficiency and NOx emissions. Unfortunately, your EGR valve can get clogged up and become stuck, causing NOX gases to build up. (You'll know if your EGR valve is stuck or malfunctioning because your car will experience symptoms like rough idle and bucking on acceleration.)

If you go thru the trouble and expense to upgrade your Luv's engine by installing a better coil, a better carb and intake, a better exhaust, a better dist/ign module, a better cam, and a better alt...you don't need the damn thing anyway. If your engine is properly tuned after you've upgraded it...it's emissions should be lower than stock.

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...both the EGR valves I have removed were completely clogged with black buildup and were not functional at all. So was the intake valve port.


Exactly..same with mine. And if I were a betting man, I'd best most Luv owners running stock engine are having the same problem.

You see...early 70's EGR systems were pretty darn simple and basic, using manifold vacuum as the only way to turn on or off an EGR valve. Reduced performance and/or drivability were common side effects. Later 70's to carbureted 80's EGR systems included a coolant temperature sensor which didn't enable the EGR system until the engine had reached normal operating temperature (presumably off the choke valve and less likely to block the EGR passages with carbon buildups, and a lot less likely to stall due to a cold engine).

Back then many auto companies added systems like "EGR timers" to disable EGR for a few seconds after a wide open throttle acceleration. Vacuum reservoirs and "vacuum amplifiers" were also sometimes used, adding to the already confusing big maze of vacuum hoses already under the hood.

Also, all vacuum-operated systems, (especially the EGR) - due to the vacuum lines located too close to the hot exhaust manifold - were highly prone to vacuum leaks caused by cracked hoses. This is a condition that plagued most 70's EGR-equipped cars with bizarre reliability problems - like stalling when warm, stalling when cold, stalling or misfiring under partial throttle, etc. Hoses in these vehicles can be checked by passing an unlit propane torch over them. (With the engine running of course...lol) When the engine speeds up, you've found that pesky vacuum leak, and that hose should be replaced.

FYI..I've tested my truck and it's emissions are way lower than the rating for the stock Luv engine. But yet in some places in this country...my mods to my engine could be considered illegal and could potentially cause me to get my truck impounded....FFS

As for the Feds...IMHO when they stop listening to corrupt lobbyists and letting all of the corporate polluters (that foul our environment on a much larger scale than any auto possibly could) get off with a little more than what amounts to them as a small fine and a slap on the wrist...then maybe we will all breathe easier.
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lol, well, I can say for sure that my EGR is in perfect working order... It's the only smog stuff that's still working on my truck.
Everything that taz said is correct. And, what he said proves the most important part of what I was trying to say: a good, working EGR both lowers emissions and lowers the combustion chamber temperatures, lessening the chance of premature ignition caused by poor quality fuel. Yeah, I can understand that kind of stuff.

But here's another part of the article that taz didn't post.
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Reduced throttling losses. The addition of inert exhaust gas into the intake system means that for a given power output, the throttle plate must be opened further, resulting in increased inlet manifold pressure and reduced throttling losses.
Reduced heat rejection. Lowered peak combustion temperatures not only reduces NOx formation, it also reduces the loss of thermal energy to combustion chamber surfaces, leaving more available for conversion to mechanical work during the expansion stroke.
Reduced chemical dissociation. The lower peak temperatures result in more of the released energy remaining as sensible energy near TDC, rather than being bound up (early in the expansion stroke) in the dissociation of combustion products.

Here's the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas_recirculation

Alright, so what that just said is that the only time any exhaust gasses are recirculated is pretty much at cruising speed. At wide open throttle, an engine has 0 vacuum, as the air flows freely into the cylinders (there may be some caused by restrictions in the carb and intake, but not much), and is unable to open the EGR vlave. But, at idle, your vacuum should be the highest because the throttle plates are closed and the pistons are pulling like hell trying to get air in, right? But, still, the EGR won't open. It has something to do with the little vacuum switching valve just fo'ard of the brake master cylinder, and the little button that the gas pedal depresses when it is fully relaxed (aka at idle), it's something I'll have to chase wires and vac lines to prove. But, I have a 1980, and it's prolly different for the early LUVs with the cast valve cover. Didn't they change to the stamped valve cover in '75 (likely what reichert is driving, as he mentioned that his truck has a non catalyst sticker)? Early EGR's definitely have some problems.

The exhaust placed back into the combustion process does absolutely nothing to change the mixture. It only slows down combustion, doing exactly what tetraethyl lead did for gas back in the good ol' days of 100+ octane at the pump. So, it makes the engine run cooler, causes the air/fuel in the combustion chamber to be less susceptible to premature detonation (pinging), and reduces the NOx emissions to boot!

Just my 2 cents.

Sorry about the previously vague post, I'll explain myself more thoroughly in the future.

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