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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:58 pm 
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Hi I know that some people think they are spending their money but its not really yours or mine, they make money when it suits their need and there is nothing to back it up anymore and also there is nothing that me or you can do about it, we can do our best to elect or government as we see the need for but whether its Democrat or Republican led they will do as they please just like they always have, we didnt know what we were getting when we voted in Obama but we did know that we were tired of Bush and his way of doing things, not meaning you but alot of people were tired of it, thats why Obama is in office and I hear what you are saying about your insurance, just be glad that you have insurance, there is millions of people in the U.S. that doesnt have insurance and cant afford it if they had the chance, I know what it is like not to be able to work and to not have insurance, its hard to just see a doctor and then its very hard to be able to buy the meds, it really didnt matter to me I could suffer and live with it, but when your wife and kids need to see a doctor and cant thats when it hurts really bad, you have to do what you need to do for them to see a doctor, I think that we all need universal health care, we need someone that can help us see the doctorss when we need to and help us with the meds and just because you have insurance now doesnt mean you will have it in the future, alot of businesses are cutting back on there hours so they dont have to offer health insurance to their employees and thats not right, we need someone fighting for our rights as far as health insurance is involved, will it be perfect and not be any problems, I doubt it, what is perfect now adays, everybody wont be happy all the time, but thats life, I worked for Wrangler for 23 years and they up and decided to move our plant to Mexico, put 1300 people out of a job many of them had been there for 20 years or more and when they left our health insurance went with them, you think they cared, No all they cared about was making all that money and having to pay out only a fraction of the money they were paying us, I dont buy Wrangler Jeans anymore. to the person that stated that he didnt like the idea of getting his picture taken and it being put on file, I guess he doesnt have a drivers licencse and if he does they dont keep that on file as well as his Social Security Number and in some places their fingerprint too, as the old saying goes you can run but you cant hide, not if they want to find you that is

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:11 pm 
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It isn't that we NEED a gun here, it's the RIGHT to own one.


i think that is the fundamental difference between you laws and ours, over here its a PRIVELIDGE to own a gun, only people that meet required standards can get a gun.

just out of interest, just how easy is it to purchase a gun over there, for example your average 30 year old male no criminal record, could this bloke just walk into a gun shop pick out a nice hand gun and have it in his hand then and there?


Hi over here in the good ole USA, at least in North Carolina you have to apply for a gun permit before you buy a handgun, you have to go to the sheriff of the county that you live in and apply for the permit and then you have to wait anywhere from 5 to 10 days before you will know whether you are allowed to purchase the permit, usually it $5.oo for the permit and you can purchase up to 3 permits at that time, then you take the permit to any gun dealer and pick out the gun you want fill, out the paperwork, pay for the gun and then take it home with you, if you have a consealed carry like I do then you can go and buy as many guns as you like or as many as you can afford, to get a concealed carry permit you have to take a gun safety course for around $90.00 and then you take the paperwork from the course to the local sheriffs office and apply for the concealed carry permit, it can take as little as 2 weeks to 3 months to wait to see if you are approved, you have to pay around 50 to 75 dollars more to apply and if you are approved then you have to have you picture taken and give them your fingerprints, concealed carry permits are good for 5 years and then you just reapply before the 5 years is up and pay 50 to 75 dollars more and it will be good for another 5 years, I personally think that eveyone should have to do this to purchase any gun, but this is just me, thanks, Terry


i agree mate, especially about the gun safety course, i know some people might be annoyed by have theyre photo and finger prints of file, but if youve done nothing wrong you wont have a problem


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My problem with the pics and fingerprints is that seems to be perfectly reasonable to most that it is now a requirement. Once they start taking the first little steps it eventually becomes an avalanche. As the original Bill of Rights was written, there was no provision for this intrusion into my personal freedom. I also don't own an elephant, but if I wanted one, there is a permit for that too...

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Hey tuffluv, what is this pledging to allegiance him about? Didn't hear that one!

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when he did that thing over the internet to the schools i think, my kids told me about it also.

i told them they didnt have to watch the thing when it aired if they didnt want to, and if the teacher tried to make them, then they should call me and i would take care of it!!!
i'd pull them out of school so fast it'd make their heads spin.

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Yeah, it was about a month ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/ ... index.html

From what I understan, one of the actresses (Demi Moore) erged the children to pledge their allegience to president Obama.

Now, go to the Hollywood stars pledge video here: This video is mostly a nice effort in which a bunch of Hollywood folks pledge to actually do good things. Nothing wrong with most of the stuff here until the end (3:56) where a woman, I think Demi Moore, (I don’t know for sure because I am very out of touch with pop-culture) pledges to be “A servant to our President.” Again, if you don’t see why this upsets people, change scenarios and view this as if these folks pledged to be a servant to President Bush. If you do have concerns, try to see this video as though it was the first time you saw it and as if it ends at 3:55, no promise of servitude to the President. Instead of this crazy servant pledge you have a video of celebrities encouraging others to do a variety of good things, some more liberal, some middle of the road, much of it acceptable to liberal and conservative views.


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I would think that if they didnt want to watch it all they had to do was put there head down, but all that is going to do when they have something they need to do, they think that all they have to do is not do it and you are going to back them up, would it have bothered you if Bush or Reagan did it? They both talked to kids in School just like Obama did. Everything that Obama does someone is there to complain, you can tell your kids that they dont have to participate in school functions if you want, but all it is going to do is hurt them in the long run, but their your kids you do what you think is right. The man is not going to make everybody happy, this country is going to hell in a handbasket thats for sure. I hope that he can prove himself to everybody someday, I think most people dont like him because of who he is, not because of what he does. I used to hate to and did things against certain people that I am now ashamed of, its easier to try to understand.

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Congress creates and passes bills and laws. The President only has veto power. A two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate on a contentious issue. will over power the veto, or the president can not veto a bill.
Control of congress has been controlled by Democrat's since 2007. The last 2 years were just Bush being a lame duck president. Anything that passed was because the democrats voted for it. McCain could have been worse than Obama.

The swing votes for Obama were the independents. I know republicans voted for him, but the major news program have said the same thing about the independents . Throw the bums out is how I fell. I am a member of this forum http://throwthebumsout.ning.com/ You may think I am a republican, but I am a life long registered democrat. No I did not vote for Obama. When my wife herd him speak she said she did not trust him. I have learned to trust her first judgment on people.

I will only support candidates that believe in term limits, less government, strong defense, balanced budget and things like these. The congress might need to follow Texas's example and have congress meat every other year. While I think of my self as conservative, I feel I am becoming more libertarian. Not LaRouche , but Ron Paul.

It is the parents to raise and educate their children not the government. That is why more people are home schooling their kids, sending them to private school, or church sponsored schools.

The President is not starting a good record by the bills he supports, things he has done.... Some very stupid, appointed people with out checking them out. Tax cheats, agendas that his appointed people have. Not the president's ones. I think one reason he won, is because no one wanted to vote for Bush... I heard people say that more times than you would believe. The problem, Bush was not running.

Democrat Barack Obama won the popular vote by a six-point margin of 52 to 46% for vanquished Republican rival John McCain, US networks said on Wednesday.Obama earned 62.98 million votes nationwide and McCain, 55.78 million, NBC reported. The President won by a little over 7 million votes. That means he has +55 that did not vote for him.

If you do not vote you can not complain(just my 2 cents) but yes you can. First Amendment to the United States Constitution Freedom of Speech

Who is Obama and why people do not like him?

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The mistake of the Obama talk to kids were the lesson plans that his people drew up and distributed with the other info. Once that was done there was no way to undo it. I later saw what he did and it was ok... I think he gets a little carried away with his idea of service.

My kids had plenty of community service. Football and band do not count. They were in 4H, Boy Scouts, my son is a Eagle Scout. Circle K in College, the largest college service origination in the world. My daughter might as well been a boyscout.

Obama has been on TV more than any other president in his time in office... He use "I" too much, and not enough "we" He is getting to be on TV so much people are not thinking it is a big deal.

I have read the Health Care HR3200 bill. You have to jump to at least 5 other laws and then back to the bill, back to the index then back, and on and on. Everything needs to be written in plain English, not "lawyer eese" If it refers to a section of another bill then the bill section should be right there.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text does try to have summaries. The Library of Congress has it,
http://www.thefederalregister.com/. It can be accessed from government sites, so it is not a doctored version.

Why can they not give people at least 72 hours to read the bill? Most of congress has not read HR3200. I want to trust someone who is passing a bill without reading it. I would bet the President has not read it.. I am sure he has people to read it, but is he getting the whole story?

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Pay attention (know thine enemy, though the President shouldn't be my enemy), just don't believe a word of it. It's just another way for the President's party to push its agneda into the future. They're all future voters, right?

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Well the bottom line is that Obama won by 365 electoral votes compared to Mccains 173 with 9% for that being registered Republicans thats more than double the electoral votes that Mccain got, alot of normally Republican voted states voted for Obama. You may or may not like his poloices but he is in there for over 3 more years like it or not. also who do you think had and has more weapons of mass destruction Iraq and Afganistan or North Korea and Iran and what use to be Russia for that matter. Who do you think would have been the bigger threat? Do you really think that the terrorists that ran the planes into the towers were all from Iraq and Afganistan? Most of them were Saudi's but we are not there fighting them, Also what would be considered a "WIN" ith the war with Iraq and Afganistan?
they and there people have been at war with someone since life began and have never been defeated, put your self in their shoes, if someone came here to defeat us how good would that go over?

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The electoral college does not have a mechanism for independent voters. Their is no three or more party system.
It does not matter which way Obama won, he won and is the president. That gives people the right to agree or disagree with him. It gives people the right to protest against Obama as they did with Bush. Just like people had the right to protest the Vietnam war. Anything done against some one protesting is a violation of the First Amendment.

The electoral college is out dated and should be dissolved. The design of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:

1. Each state would employ the district system of allocating electors.
2. Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting.
3. Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of President and Vice President.
4. The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the election to Congress.[9]

On these facts, scholars have described the intended role of the Electoral College as simply a body that would nominate candidates from which the Congress would then select a President and Vice President.[10]

Under the original plan for the Electoral College, each state government was free to have its own plan for selecting its electors.The constitutional theory behind the indirect election of both the President and Vice President of the United States is that while the Congress is popularly elected by the people, the President and Vice President are elected to be executives of a federation of independent states.

I saw some people nominated to the be one of electorate, they did not even understand what the position and what they wanted... She was going to Vote for Hillary. That was not even a option.

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Well the bottom line is that Obama won by 365 electoral votes compared to Mccains 173 with 9% for that being registered Republicans thats more than double the electoral votes that Mccain got, alot of normally Republican voted states voted for Obama. You may or may not like his poloices but he is in there for over 3 more years like it or not. also who do you think had and has more weapons of mass destruction Iraq and Afganistan or North Korea and Iran and what use to be Russia for that matter. Who do you think would have been the bigger threat? Do you really think that the terrorists that ran the planes into the towers were all from Iraq and Afganistan? Most of them were Saudi's but we are not there fighting them, Also what would be considered a "WIN" ith the war with Iraq and Afganistan?
they and there people have been at war with someone since life began and have never been defeated, put your self in their shoes, if someone came here to defeat us how good would that go over?


If you kept up with 9/11 you know who the attackers were from and where the planing and money came from. As I have stated you can disagree with the president, you can actively voice that disagreement. You can even fight politically against them, just as was done for all the presidents since Nixon. We supported Afghanistan when the Russia was then the aggressor.

If some one invaded us now how would it go... I am not sure, you would find more people caving in than most people would think. More people would wish they had guns, like MS13. Red States would fight for sure. Japan thought everyone had a gun, so they had second thoughts. They did try to invade Alaska in the far north.

Who has weapons of mass destruction, meaning nukes. India, Pakistan, and North Korea have them for sure. Iraq wants them. I think Israel has had them for a long time. In 1977, according to foreign press reports, it was suspected that South Africa signed a pact with Israel that included the transfer of military technology and the manufacture of at least six nuclear bombs.
Of course We have them, Russia, and China.

If any of those or North Korea shoots one off, it is WWIII

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Yes as I stated before most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but the war didnt go there did it? The government being Democrat or Republican whichever is in charge can not and will not make everyone happy even part of the time so I guess all we can do is complain and try to change the party next election, who knows maybe by the time that comes around maybe the majority will again reelect Obama for a second term, they did it with Bush so it could happen

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They supplied us with oil and were the big cheese in OPEC...They are some of the moderates in the middle east... The monarchy keeps them looking that way.

The political and cultural environment of contemporary Saudi Arabia has been influenced by a religious movement that began in central Arabia in the mid-eighteenth century. This movement, commonly known as the Salafi movement, grew out of the scholarship and preaching of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab, a scholar of Islamic jurisprudence who had studied in Iraq and the Hijaz before returning to his native Najd to preach his message of Islamic reform. This does not make them favorable with the hard line muslims.

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Yes as I stated before most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but the war didnt go there did it? The government being Democrat or Republican whichever is in charge can not and will not make everyone happy even part of the time so I guess all we can do is complain and try to change the party next election, who knows maybe by the time that comes around maybe the majority will again reelect Obama for a second term, they did it with Bush so it could happen


Depends on what he actually does. He is for change, well don't ram something down our throats. Instead of trying to change everything at once, no it a little at a time..Make it look like you are trying to do something, rather than running around chasing his tell. His popularity and charisma did not work on the IOC. That is going take a while fo get that behind. Already a democrat has blamed Bush for not getting the Olympics here. Obama needs to tell them to shut the frack up.

They elected Clinton for 2 terms and Reagan too, but not Carter, go figure in that one :lol:
Gerald Ford may be the best president of the late 20th century. He did not screw much up, and his scandal was falling down all the time. (excluding the pardoning of Nixon)

On gun control:
Gun users should start out with a .22 rifle, after a BB gun. My kids had a short signal shot .22 rifle.

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[quote="terrynnc"]Hi I know that some people think they are spending their money but its not really yours or mine, they make money when it suits their need and there is nothing to back it up anymore and also there is nothing that me or you can do about it, we can do our best to elect or government as we see the need for but whether its Democrat or Republican led they will do as they please just like they always have, we didnt know what we were getting when we voted in Obama but we did know that we were tired of Bush and his way of doing things, not meaning you but alot of people were tired of it, thats why Obama is in office and I hear what you are saying about your insurance, just be glad that you have insurance, there is millions of people in the U.S. that doesnt have insurance and cant afford it if they had the chance, I know what it is like not to be able to work and to not have insurance, its hard to just see a doctor and then its very hard to be able to buy the meds, it really didnt matter to me I could suffer and live with it, but when your wife and kids need to see a doctor and cant thats when it hurts really bad, you have to do what you need to do for them to see a doctor, I think that we all need universal health care, we need someone that can help us see the doctorss when we need to and help us with the meds and just because you have insurance now doesnt mean you will have it in the future, alot of businesses are cutting back on there hours so they dont have to offer health insurance to their employees and thats not right, we need someone fighting for our rights as far as health insurance is involved, will it be perfect and not be any problems, I doubt it, what is perfect now adays, everybody wont be happy all the time, but thats life, I worked for Wrangler for 23 years and they up and decided to move our plant to Mexico, put 1300 people out of a job many of them had been there for 20 years or more and when they left our health insurance went with them, you think they cared, No all they cared about was making all that money and having to pay out only a fraction of the money they were paying us, I dont buy Wrangler Jeans anymore. to the person that stated that he didnt like the idea of getting his picture taken and it being put on file, I guess he doesnt have a drivers licencse and if he does they dont keep that on file as well as his Social Security Number and in some places their fingerprint too, as the old saying goes you can run but you cant hide, not if they want to find you that is[/quote]

You sir are correct...

And just look where it is...

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You can only do so much about certain things. A long time ago, my friend's mother who bought him Dockers pants and stuff for Christmas, she quit when she found out they moved to a off shore maker. I did it to when I found out from him. Just like the Made in America program walmart had. Where is it now?.. I went to school with guys who were being retrained because of a Goodyear tire plant closing, imports causing them to close... It is in many ways our own fault. We can not have something for nothing. The walmart mindset is what drives everything.

Try to find 10 things that are made in America the next time you go to the store.(only if you live in the USA)
Or see how many thing you can find made in your country.

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