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I have been reading this post for a day or 2 and have to say that I have always been PRO gun and still am but we do need stricter gun laws in this country and it doesnt matter whether you are a Republican or a Democrat or you like or dislike Obama, opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Its just too easy for some people to be able to buy a gun here, I didnt feel this way when I was younger but now that I am older I see all the gun violence here and have the common sense to know that something needs to be done about it, Personally I think everyone that buys a gun whether it be a handgun or a long gun should have to go through a safety course and background check just like I did when I went to get my concealed carry permit. Someone said that when they outlaw guns her only the outlaws will have guns, I think at that point we all will be outlaws because all of us have guns that are not registered and will continue to do so as long as we can get away with it. There has always been people/politcal parties that wants stricter gun laws and gun bans and there always will be. The problems are not with the legal gun owners, it is with the thieves and murders and the slack laws that dont do anything with the people that continue to break the laws here, you can get more time for white collar non violent offenses that you can for murder or rape and robbery. Money can just about get you out of anything here in the U.S. also the corrupt judges, we have a judge here in my county that will reduce the bond on known violent crime offenders with long criminal histories because he thinks they would be better off at home under house arrest than they would be locked up, I personally can see right in that, he is taking money form certain people to keep these offenders on the street but since he is an upstanding pillar of the community he wouldnt do that, the problem here is that we all need to try to work together and quit making bad comments about each others political parties and try to get these laws changed so that they work for all people, but this is just my opionion and i am sure some will not agree with me, thanks, Terry

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Joe would have my vote.

Jail is not meant to be a happy place.

In mates can work just like everyone else.

Bob.

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I can understand the whole make it more difficult to get a gun. What I don't understand is the provision for gun storage inspection. I sure as hell don't want some gov't inspector come poking around my house. CA has some pretty strict gun control policies, and I honestly don't mind the waiting period. The security of having a gun is worth it. But how many felons have been put back in prision because they were found in possesion of a firearm? lol, exactly how much more difficult would a law make it for the baddies (for lack of a better word) to get a gun? I can still go out and get marijuana without a perscription, and it isn't all that difficult to find ecstacy either. Don't those come under the umbrella of controlled substances, with the ecstacy posession w/ intent to sell being a felony? It doesn't make sense.
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On the design/evolution of guns, they were originally meant to kill game at a longer distance than one could throw a spear or shoot an arrow (why would one want to spend the time to sneak when he could just sit out of sight, hearing and smell and kill dinner?). Why would something be designed to do so little damage to the surrounding tissue be used for killing something you wouldn't want to eat? And to address the semi-auto situation, what if you miss the first shot? No dinner because it takes so long to reload that the animal has time to run away? On to the use of guns to kill people. Yeah, that's pretty much what they're trying to address on this one. If there's someone in my house, and I don't want to get close enough for the intruder to get me, I'd like to have a gun. What if I miss the first time? Oh, so I need a semi-auto.
lol, silverwing, handguns are for the kind of hunting that you're not exactly expecting to do. mytmouz, you're crazy, and probably a crack shot. Like the other day, I was out in the backcountry, and I was confronted by a rattlesnake. Rather than taking the 2-3 minutes to get a rifle unstrapped and out of its case, I took the 2 seconds to pull my handgun out of the holster and shot it before I needed help myself. lol, I also ate it, keeping with the idea of hunting that I wasn't expecting to do.
SO, guns aren't designed to kill people. They're designed to throw a small rock a lot farther than I can. BUT, there is ammunition designed to kill people.
Oh, and silverwing, one of your sources says this:
"FACT: Suicide is still the leading cause of firearm death in the U.S., representing 54.6% of total 2006 gun deaths nationwide. In 2006, the U.S. firearm suicide total was 16,883, a decrease from 2005 total of 17,002 gun suicides. Total gun suicides in Illinois for 2006 were 372, a decrease of 12% from the 2005 number 424. Over half of suicides in the U.S. are committed with firearms.

(Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2009; and the American Association of Suicidology.) "
I figure these people wanted to die, and they would have managed without guns, but guns were a more efficient vehicle.

As this has become more of a debate of ideaology than a bill, thankyou to the Aussies for their input.

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Good point if they cant enforce the illegal drug laws in this country how are they going to enforce the gun laws, its easy to pass laws but it is another to enforce them also another point when the majority of the people in this country Republicans and Democrats elected Obama into office they were looking for a change and when there is change it is impossible to make everybody happy. Alot of people in the country were not happy with the way the Republicans were running it so they did what was necessary to change that, was it for the good or the bad its to early to tell Obama cant straighten out a mess in 10 months that it took 8 years to create. I am hopeful that something positive will come out of it for everybody, then again I waited 8 years for something positive to come of Bush, he had his good points and bad points. I had to endure those 8 years and I wasnt always happy with what he did and if the republicans are happy with what Obama does the 1st 4 years then they can work at getting a republican voted back into office, what it all comes down to is that we all have to try to work together and get the country straightened out hope for the best but be prepared for the worst, thanks, Terry

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Law breakers get off far too easy and even when they serve time it's bordering on a vacation. Yes they lose their freedom to go where they want, but thats about it. There is a sherrif in New Mexico I beleive that has a multi million dollar prison and yet makes the prisoners live in tents, no a/c, and they must pay for their meals. I like him! Mississippi used to have chain gangs and had some of the best highways in the U.S. Someone siad that was inhumane and guess what. Yep, bye bye chain gangs. I say put their asses to work for keeping them alive! Bring back the death penalty. You kill someone, you die! You rape someone, you die! You beat someone to a pulp, you get beat up and then you die! I know what some people think. There is always the one innocent person that gets sent to jail by mistake and the death penalty is too final. No system is perfect nor ever will be in the forseable future. For those that hold candlelight vigiles where someone is being executed because they don't believe in the death penalty, get their names, addresses, etc. and have THEM pay to keep them alive. Same for abortion, have those that fight against it to pay for the care, raising, education, health of the non-aborted children. Oops, a bit off subject here, but as you can see I am for the death penalty. Not wait years to send them to their death, but right after the judges mallet come down. I sentence you to death, ZAP! Done. Next in line?
Texas, when are you going to secede from what's left of the U.S. so I can move there and help you to become a separate country?

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Silverwing, you brought England into this thread with a website posting on page 1. I simply responded that I don't care what England does.

Obama is off subject? He is the comnunist leading us into the path of no return. His cabinet and supporters are the ones that have caused this entire debate.

Apparently your opinion is he is better than Bush. I thank GOD that Bush was our president when 9/11 occurred and wish he still was in office. Truthfully I would rather have old Ronnie boy. R.I.P. Attack another country! A country that trains and harbors global terrorist. OK We differ with our opinions there as well. Here's where our correspondence will get a little touchy. Even though this will be my last reply to this thread I am curious to what you think what I am going to point out here. We did not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What we did find is actual Chemical components, in a separate location we found missiles designed to carry and deploy mustard agents, blood agents, blister compounds (chemicals), and in yet another location we found canisters designed to carry chemical compounds. The media reported the canisters could not be mated to the rockets so there was no find. Here is what the media did not report, with an alteration requiring less than 30 minutes complete, (literally an adapter and a small offset weight) the canisters would indeed be able to be mated to the rockets and deploy. The truth is they could not in the exact current state they were discovered in. Saddam had already used chemical weapons and killed thousands of people including his own. Do you really think he would have given up that capability? Now follow me here.....lets pretend you have a complete G180 engine minus the carb and starter which you own but are in different locations. The only catch is the carb is a weber and you need an adapter to install it. Do you have an engine or not? Now I know I'm off subject again but I hope you can see the comparison I'm making. I know an engine and WMD's are totally different, it's just a comparison.

This thread has ran it's course for me. I enjoy the hell out of this website but this damn thread has frustraded the hell out of me so I am done with it. I am completely uncomfortable with the direction my country is heading. I am glad you are an Australian Citizen. This is not meant to be argumentative or even a personal jabb but simply the truth. We have enough people here with your mentality, we don't need anymore.

BTW, I am fairly well experienced in the world of solid propellant and a couple liquid propelled rockets and missiles. I was qualified on 9 different missile systems in the US Air Force from handheld to the 60 plus foot long Minuteman Weapon system and a couple space launch systems. I don't mention this as a credential but only to say that I'm not blind to the info I mentioned above. MSGT (E-7) 20 years and 7 months total active service. Retired 3 years, 4 months and counting.

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This is gun control.

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Agreed!!!

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That my friend is a very small gun.

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i was only using england as an example like other countries i posted, obama has a bit to do with it i supose but the argument would be the same no matter who starts it.

i also notice you saying god alot which confuses me a little, as i dont see what god has to do with any off this.

i understand what you saying with the WMDs yes they could have been made from those components. now this may be a little contradictionary of me but jst because someone has a weapon(gun, bomb, pointy stick) doesnt mean theyre going to use it, if you see a man on the street who happens to be in possetion of a gun dp you go attack him, just or having that gun? i dont think so.

in the end its just difference of opinion, i respect yours and i hope that in turn you will respect mine.

lol, Bob, that's not a small gun. It's a very wonderfully built piece of art. Glock builds wonderful guns. lol, as a matter of fact, if it's a 26, it's the same one I shot the snake I mentioned in the previous post with. But, it doesn't look like a 26... it looks a little bigger.

lol, silverwing, bringing God into something in the way dog trainer has is to express gratitude to a higher authority. Just one of those strange American things to say. lol, I think it's because we can't exactly express the same gratitude to our gov't...

Alright, so you make a good point with the, if you see a man on the street with a gun, but that isn't exactly a good representation. If you saw a man on the street visibly carrying the makings of a pipe bomb, or some sticks of TNT with detonators, and you knew that he had just blown up one of his kids using afore mentioned pipe bomb/TNT, would you try to take the materials from (lol, to use your language, attack) him? Honestly, I really hope you'd try to take the stuff from him before he blew up another one of his kids, or even one of his neighbors. Your gun analogy isn't quite correct. Not on the same magnitude. lol, what Saddam was doing to his own people (as mentioned by dog trainer) is called practice or testing.

I do agree that we are of differing opinions, and I respect yours, even if I do think it's wrong, because I know you respect my opinion, even if you do think it's wrong.
I do enjoy this kind of thing, and I hope everyone else can keep a level head about this.

If you oppose the bill (Senate or HR), contact your Senator/Representative and tell them so. I wish I lived in a state besides CA, because our lovely Ms. Boxer and the wonderful Ms. Feinstein really could give a rat's a$$ less about what I think.

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My bad, PapaG must have big hands

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Heres a big gun




Bust ya hands off.


I just went on line for a bit of a look. Wikipedia was helpfull.
I knew about what caliber was but not what fits what. Not many hand guns here, thats some complicated stuff. Hate to be a gun shop owner in texas, you could fill half a store with just a box of each type of ammo.

I even got onto a thread on the LS1 forum. Disturbing stuff. Lost of talk about stopping power and what not. Paranoia i think. Ive got an old shovel handle standing up next to the front door, but then if you knew where i lived you would understand why.



I tend to agree with the sentiment that it does not really matter how big the gun, its how good your eye is.


Give me a 12 guage.



Bob.

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what ae you talking about bob sunshine is a LOVELY place

He is in Arizona, His name is Joe Arpaio and i think if we make it to a next election, i am gonna write him in!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

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This is a good thread and makes for healthy debate. Silverwing, I certainly respect your right to have a different opinion. People are all different and nobody should judge because of opinion but rather action. But this is part of my argument. Nobody should judge me for owning a gun nor should they take it away nor should they have the right to come in to my home without my actions warranting it.

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Beautifully made point.

Bob, with that .460, I'm not exactly sure they really meant stopping power where people are concerned. I think they were talking about bulletproof (well, they seem pretty close) animals. I think somebody mentioned hunting boars w/ a hand gun, and that would be a practical use for that thing. Nobody should buy that for home defense, it's too heavy. lol, when I put that Glock 26 in my backpack, I was thinking about bears, and mostly what it would take to scare them off. I think killing a bear/boar takes at least a .357 swedge 200gr. w/9gr. powder, and that's not pretty to shoot. Hurts. But, to kill a bear in self -defense (without a tag), you're supposed to be close enough to get blood spray, not somthing I really want to experience. I suppose the way I'm going to tie this in with the thread is to say that every gun has a purpose. Maybe not something as benign as cutting your lunch meat (like kitchen knives)...

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In the USA we have the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from a government that would try and take them . I'll go back to lurking now .

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

I agree that this has been a healthy debate showing different sides of the argument and views from various countries. To tell the truth, the whole thing makes me sick to my stomach the the bottom line is "the governemnt feels they have the right to take away the rights of their citizens one by one and then do it subersively". I am going to back off of this thread for a while and besides, I got a letter this today from the VA. They have me scheduled to see a psychiatrist Wednesday. Has anyone here been ratting on me? Where is my gun? Actually it is all part of trying to get a job with all the physical problems I have. So your safe.........................................FOR NOW

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Rick
Loranger, La
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