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i scord 4 yes 4 st 3950 at the local walyworld for a buck apice out of the clearnce isel

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http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

I know this thread hasn't been very active lately but this is probably the best study I have found on oil filters. Take it for what it's worth!!



Hey Labman, what dog sites are you on? What dogs do you own...besides the apparent Lab? I haven't found many. I look at oil filters like dog food as well to a point. I like Wix and Purolator because I have never had an issue with them. I don't have to buy the most expensive dog food but I like to feed my critters a good food with Glucossamine/Chondroitin, High Protein and Fat during hunting season with a good delivery system in it. What that means is I buy Exceed brand from Sams Club and drop in a supplement or two. Maybe I should have sent this over PM. I love my Luv's but it's always good to chat with another dog trainer. Bird season is right around the corner!!! Hit me back.

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1981 Luv 2WD
1979 Luv 4x4 Currently going through Open Heart and Cosmetic surgery
1995 Roughneck JetBoat
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I haven't posted on this thing yet. The link from dog trainer is quite interesting, and it's a well written article that seems to be free from bias. I suppose as a result of the article, but more a result of what is available locally, just did my wife's '05 Aveo with Mobil-1 5W30 and a Purolator PureOne filter, filter was from Pep Boys. I have Pep Boys and Kragen locally (Have to drive 15+ miles otherwise which in LA is far). So I went with the Purolator, it was $6 instead of the $3 I usually pay for a Fram but I really do think Fram is bottom of the barrel. I suppose if you change it often enough they're fine, but hey why not actually filter your oil if you can. After 52000 miles I haven't had to put major repair bucks into the Aveo, so I figure I might as well try and maintain it.

People use to tell me that Pennzoil was bad because it had parafin in it. ALL non synthetic oils have parafin. Until you get into race oils, they are all about the same. Think, if an oil was the cause of engine failures, they wouldn't be in business long. Oils don't generally break down either, they become contaminated. If you look to the process from which oils are made you'll see that the cracking temperature is much higher than you will hopefully ever see in your engine. Changing detergent oil because it's color has changed is a waste of money. That is what it is suppose to do. The main reason to change oil is due to contamination, when water condenses in the crankcase it forms acids and that is what destroys the bearings etc. Have you ever taken an engine apart and see what look like craters, potmarks in the bearing. This is why buying a car that the little old lady only drove a block to the store or church, quite often is not the better deal. You need to get out on the road and get the oil hot, so as to boil off the acids and water. Engines today have longer oil change intervals, due to the better machining tolerances, better seals and fuel managment. Less fuel getting by the rings, etc.
It's amazing when people say one oil or oil filter is better than another and then they come to find out they come from the same place or company. The kinser article is interesting, however last time I read it, you had to draw your own conclusions. Also many brands of filters change thier supplier every few years. Like Die Hard batteries, specs go out and low bidder gets the contract.
I've actually lost more engines running valvolene than any other. Never lost one on rerefined oil, however don't recommend it. Truthfully very few engine failures are caused by the correct weight oil.

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That was a good study. I did disagree with some of the conclusions. On another site the Purolator fan boys were livid with it. They are so rational they even beat up on me when it was somebody else that posted the link to it. There has been some big changes in filters since then. Champ has changed most of their larger filters to Ecore and the rest to dome end bypasses, and Purolator is now German owned and has made some changes in manufacturing.

I have been bashing them because the L 10193 now has less filter media than anything but a Fram. Don't like the dome end bypass or giving my dollars to German fat cats. Considering how much hard data there is on how well filters work, perhaps it is more important to buy American than anything else.




The most active ones are http://www.allexperts.com/ http://www.k9mania.com/forum/ http://www.dogster.com/answers/ and http://www.dogsey.com/ Like most of the sites on the net, they are dominated by show breeders. I think they sit around Starbucks sipping their lattes with their laptops and jump all over anybody daring to disagree with their ignorance. [/quote]



Right now none. Since we put the one mutt to sleep in 1986, we only owned one Lab for 5 years. She returned to us after working as a dog guide until she was 10. We have fostered 19 puppies for service dog schools, mostly Labs and mostly a dog guide school. We have a male Golden now about to turn a year old. In early October he will go to an assistance dog school to begin his training. If we are lucky, the dog guide school will whelp a litter in the next week or 2 allowing us to promptly replace him with a new puppy. Since the school breeds 70-80% Labs, it will most likely be a Lab. Beside our current Golden, we have had one Shepherd and a Lab/Golden cross.



Like oil filters, there are more strong opinions than facts about dog food. I suspect the Exceed is just as good as the expensive brands given high ratings for using real meat and not meal. I am sure you have seen canines eat a kill. What do they eat first? Right, all those nasty things they remove at the slaughter house and sell to the dog food manufactures.

Before the current form of the net existed, we were raising puppies for a large dog guide school that feeds Pro Plan, poorly rated on the net. Once I started reading how awful it was, I started digging. What I have learned is that many other service dog schools with all their resources to determine the best diet and the incentive to do so, are feeding back of the pack chows. I have not been able to find any research backing up the claims of the premium chows. I have challenged people on open forums to provide me with research backing the premium chows. They don't seem to appreciate the importance of controlled testing. Those selling premium chows are very good at exploiting the emotions of many. I am convinced much of what you read about both oil filters and dog food and likely a lot of other stuff is Astroturf.

Note, the service dog schools discourage any supplements. A good food doesn't need them, and too much calcium isn't good for growing large breed puppies.

Good to hear from a hunter. Not too many on most dog forums. Maybe they are too busy having a life to argue with nitwits. I grew up in a culture that valued dogs on their ability to run rabbits. I haven't been out in the field with a gun and a dog since the 60's. I have a lot more respect for hunters than show breeders.



I have owned GM since 1981, and always ran AC if I could find it at a reasonable price. The only oil filter problem I ever remember was a EMPI on my 77 LUV when it was new. It didn't have a groove to retain the gasket and blew all the oil out twice. After that, I paid a jobber $5 for an AC for a long time. Later I found a Fram that worked, and then K-Mart started selling PF 9's for $2. After they changed the number to PF 1177, they started to get harder to find. I ran a bunch of stuff mostly sticking to brands I knew, Fram, Purolator, Hastings, and eventually risked a Super Tech. With nothing else to go on, about 10 years ago, I started cutting stuff open and looking inside. I found most of the stuff about the same except AC had much more filter media and Fram much less. Everybody beats up on Fram for how bad they look inside. However, the junkyards aren't full of cars that died early due to running Frams. I have concluded oil filters aren't very important, may as well run what is cheap. Unfortunately Wal-Mart first went to a dome end bypass, and then dropped the ST 3950. I just don't like the chance of oil washing stuff off the filter and through the bypass even if I have no proof it hurts. I am looking for a cheap American made by an American company filter with a thread end bypass. I have an STP for my next change, but it has the dome end bypass just like the later ST 3950, except a dollar more. Yes, both are made by Champ.

Brand-----P/N----Length width area Fits---endcaps---mfg--valves
Older data, 2000 ?
AC Delco--PF9-------102 2 1/2 255 77 LUV
STP-------S02856A---108 1 3/4 189 ''
Purolator L10193----105 1 3/4 184 ''
Power Flo SL14619----76 2 3/8 180 ''
Hastings--LF143------71 2 1/2 178 ''
ST--------ST3950-----98 1 3/4 171 ''
Fram------PH 3950----48-1 3/4--84 ''
2003 filters
Miata-----B6Y214302--69 1 3/4 121 1991 Roadster
AC Delco--PF2244G*---46 3-----138 02 Cavalier--------France
STP-------9018-------57 2 1/2 143 ''-----------------Korea
Purolator L15436-----52 2 1/2 130 ''-----------------Thailand
WIX 57082 Never got around to measuring it.

22 Aug 03 filters were a year or 2 old

ST--------ST3950-----84 1 3/4 147 77 LUV--------metal---------ADBV bypass
Purolator L10193**---76-----2 152 ''-------------card USA '' ''
Purolator L10193-----96-----2 192***''----------metal India '' far end
AC--------PF1177-----92 2 1/2 230 ''-------------card Canada ''
AC--------PF 47------56-----2 112 92 GrandAm----metal ''
AC--------PF 52------53 3 3/4 198 '' OS---------''----''
ST--------ST 3387A---46-----2--92 '' ''----------------USA ''
ST****----ST3950-----90---2.1 189 77 LUV--------Metal--------ADBV, bypass
ST 6-05---clicker '' 90 1 3/4 157 ''------------------------''---USA--ADBV, bypass '' ''
Purolator 9-08 L10193 64 1.75 112 ''--------''---USA--ADBV, bypass '' ''
Purolator L10193--75 1 3/4 131 ''-------------''---USA--ADBV, bypass '' ''

*The AC, Hastings, and Fram all said PURFLUX L264A on the end of the plastic housing.
**Interesting 1 piece of rubber for both valves
***The media was noticable thinner than the others
****9-04 newer black case
*The AC, Hastings, and Fram all said PURFLUX L264A on the end of the plastic housing.
**Interesting 1 piece of rubber for both valves
***The media was noticable thinner than the others
****9-04 newer black case

That is awesome that you have your hands in the service dog world. I like to train bird dogs but that seems kind of easy compared to what you do and the service they provide. Keep it up, that sounds interesting.

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2005 Silverado 3/4T Crew Cab
1981 Luv 2WD
1979 Luv 4x4 Currently going through Open Heart and Cosmetic surgery
1995 Roughneck JetBoat
1981 Luv parts trk

on the stp oil filters. are the st3950 the same as the s3950 oil filter. cuz thats what I got the s3950 oil filter from autozone.

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We don't train them to guide people. We do what is called socialization, getting them out places and being used to strangers, traffic, noise, whatever plus basic obedience.

As near as I can remember, they are identical on the outside. Of course, I haven't seen the later design ST for a couple of years. The last ones I picked up on clearance were the older, thread end bypass.

just a lil pice of info for yall the bypass on a sbc opens at 7 psi so anything after that just goes right back in your berrings just fyi

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