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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:10 am 
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Good luck. I'm just following this thread...I like to see the outcome of troubleshooting issues like these for one to hopefully hear you have her fixed and two maybe I'll gain something from it as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:00 am 
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Bought a new fuel pump... got one from Knechts, the guy sold me the same one he had on his luv. Put it on, and now the carb leaks like crazy, apparently it's to much fuel for it to handle. I have a rebuild kit so I'm going to try and replace the leaking gaskets. I'll also try a couple of my other carbs.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:46 pm 
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So, new pump, new lines, working MUCH better. Now, I was revving it a little after it had been running for about a minute and a half, the carb hadn't opened it up all the way. It was revving great until it really started letting air in... then it started gasping when I revved it. I pushed the flap inside closed (almost) and it roared right back to normal. (as much as a stock luv will roar). It seems that the carb is getting to much air in with the fuel when It warms up... How do I fix that? Further more, what is the best way to adjust the stock hitachi for the best, smoothest running luv? I have absolutely no experience adjusting any type of carb.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:23 am 
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I've been lucky with my Hitachi carbs so far and haven't had to do much to them. Just curious, does it run better after it reaches normal operating temp? This problem can go in several directions...vaccuum leak (cracked hoses), like you said air to fuel mixture, the EGR vlave is in this loop. I can get in my manual when i get home this afternoon and try to help you with fuel to air mixture.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:58 pm 
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The thing is that it runs great, it just won't drive. I finally got the carb adjusted properly and it really does run great, better than ever before. It's just that when I try to drive (literally, drive, revving without it in gear works fine) it dies. It's just really puzzling, temp doesn't seem to affect it.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:25 pm 
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Does it backfire at all or just die like you've turned the key off? This is definitely a tough one to figure out. The fact that it runs, dies and then instantly starts up again.......damn. Now I'm just going to throw out things that I would try and maybe you'll see something that you're interested in. This could possibly be a bad fuel pump relay though I wouldn't bet the farm on it, possible vent problem like the gas tank has a vaccuum being pulled on it....I guess I'm starting to run out of ideas. I'll sleep on it and ask a couple friends and see if I can come up with something else.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:32 pm 
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One more thing here I may have missed. Does it backfire or spit back or does it just choke down and die?
Have you checked for a plugged catalitic converter or muffler? Have a helper rev it while you hold your hand at the exhaust. Should be a strong blast of air there. Temporarily take the exhaust pipe loose, cover your ears, and take it for a drive.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:48 pm 
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I'm fairly certain the exhaust isn't plugged, I was checking it a couple days ago. However, like I said, the truck revs great, sounds great, just wont DRIVE. I dont understand it at all...
One questionable thing I did was replace the fuel pump relay using the guide of one of the users on this forum (some other part at auto zone, rewired) but i dont see how that would be causing this problem since it gets plenty of fuel, it's just went the truck is actually moving that it doesn't.... I'm just really puzzled.
No backfires, no audible or perceivable issues besides the fact that it just dies.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:22 pm 
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Plugged exhaust will do exactly that--will rev up by hand but not take a sustained load. I would definately drop the exhaust pipe at the manifold or maybe before the converter and drive it. Let us know if any change. We've come this far, don't want give up now.


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If the exhaust is plugged it should cause the exhaust manifold to heat up. I had a Pinto get cherry red one time because of a plugged cat.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:48 pm 
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well ctmandu is coming today to help me out, so we'll see how things go, but as for the manifold getting red... it doesn't. and I'm getting plenty of blast out the back... but like i said, we'll see. thank you guys for your help


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Let us know how it turns out. Kind of anxious to hear what it is. Good luck

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Well I got there and it would start but then die trying to move under its own power,,, adjusted the carb and set the timing (was way off) and it worked great went down the road under its own power then just died again. I drove it the 2nd time went down the road turned around came back and at the last moment wanted to die (like it ran out of gas) pumped the pedal a few times and its like the float stuck closed no more gas… tried some other carbs but none ran well… ran out of time for the day…
Great kid here and can use some more help

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:45 pm 
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Hey, thanks again for your time and help ctmandu! I'm heading over to the truck again in a little bit, i decided I'm just gonna put that other carb on there (currently on my '72) and see what happens. If it works I'll drive it home and let you all know about it. If it doesn't work, I'll let you know as well... In that case, I will probably start parting it out after seeing if anyone wants it on craigslist. If you need any parts, let me know in a PM, I'll keep you posted. I'll have leftover parts from a 75 and a 78. The 78 is the one I'm currently trying to get running right, it has an 80 1.8 in it. Head gasket looks like its on it's way out, should be replaced very soon...
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What you are saying really seams like a low fuel supply. Your truck will rev all day without a load on it but after a load it dies, that is a classic low fuel volume syndrome. Rememder you can have 10 LBS of pressure but too low of volume. Is any of the fuel lines inder the truck, in the tank or on top of the tank crushed at all? Get a extra gas can, run rubber fuel line to it, then to a different fuel pump then to the carb, a totally different fuel supply and systen, then run it down the road.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:28 am 
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without being there it's difficult to say but I would definitely lean towards fuel issues. Try blocking your choke open, plug your return fuel line....cut it a couple inches below where it connects to the carb and plug both. Did you ever make sure your gas cap is vented? Remove it and try driving it? You could still straight wire your fuel pump for troubleshooting purposes. Man I'd hate to see you get rid of your Luv. This has to be something we can figure out.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:54 am 
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The Hitachi carb is a junk design that uses a solid brass piston on accelerator pump plunger, which pumps up & down in an aluminum bore! Over time the bore wears far out of tolerance and pump piston isn't pumping fuel anymore. The result is just what you have been describing.

Here's some general info, also posted for the next guy that comes along doing a search on fuel problems:
For any carb fuel system: Fuel tank, fuel pump, fuel filter, carb inlet needle valve, float level controlling inlet valve, main jet[s], secondary jet[s], metering orifices, air bleeds, shooter/cluster.

Possible failures are fuel pump, clogged filter, leaking/sticking inlet valve, incorrect float adjustment, restricted main or secondary jets, dirty air bleeds, clogged shooter/cluster, bad gaskets, casting or sealing defects, vacuum leaks at carburetor or manifold or tubing.

In some cases with electric fuel pump the fuel is pumped to carb but there's a restriction somewhere in the line, cutting down volume of flow.When starting the vehicle the key is turned on which pressurizes fuel line from pumping. The engine then starts when starter is used and runs for a bit, then dies. Remember, during this time after it dies while your brain is slowly reacting, the fuel pump is still pumping. Turn off the key, then turn it back on. Often we wait a second, then crank it again. That time before we shut it off, and the pause before cranking, may let the fuel pump squirt through just enough to partially refill float bowl to get it running again, but can't keep it running because of restriction.

Good to disconnect fuel line to carb and let it flow into a clean container, following normal safety precautions when dealing with flammable/explosive, and check fuel pump flow.

Most common cause of failure after starting, with engine dying, is a fuel restriction, pump failure or else low float level.

Many systems nowadays require a return line to tank, to finish the loop. With a restriction at return the carb ove- pressurizes and floods, or the fuel flow stops because excess can't return to tank, depends on carb design.

A weak fuel control solenoid can open just enough to dribble some fuel through but as electro magnetism fails at valve it closes back up, even if you hear a 'click' from it before starting. Take solenoid out of line, run direct fuel line, see if it fixes it. Bad electrical conections may cause the same.

The air bleeds act as a metering system, telling the system how much fuel to introduce into carb throat. When rebuilding it's always good to use a tiny piece of wire, maybe guitar string or similar, to gently swab out the air bleeds with carb cleaner. Don't ream oversize of course.

An apparent choking when stepping on throttle with engine warmed up, causing engine bog, can be the accelerator pump failing to enrich mixture to match increased airflow in carb throat.

Water in fuel can be puzzling. Adding a 'gas drier' which is mostly alchol should absorb the water. But it doesn't make it to fuel lines or carb. May be necessary to add gas drier, then pump through some contaminated fuel until treated fuel arrives, following flammables safety precautions. Suction contaminated fuel out of float bowl. Then return the contaminated fuel back to tank to be treated.

Using a rust remover in fuel tank can loosen rust and send it directly to filter, and even bypassing filter to clog carb jets. Clean system, discard fuel.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:54 pm 
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i would think many a calapsing fuel line but try. getting a squirt bottle and with it running squirt gasin the carb as your opening the throtle if it revs out its ither tha fuel line or the pump maby fuel line colapsing or a hole in the line suck ing air


I've been reading this whole thread and I'm shocked all of us and we can't find it I think it will be some thing that's right in front of us the whole time and if all of us were there next to the truck running through it all with a few 12 packs we would find it. Well good luck

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:50 pm 
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77luvster wrote:
I've been reading this whole thread and I'm shocked all of us and we can't find it I think it will be some thing that's right in front of us the whole time and if all of us were there next to the truck running through it all with a few 12 packs we would find it. Well good luck

I know exactly what you mean, I figured that it would be something easy to fix, especially with all the help from you guys on LuvTruck...
Well, here's an update. I tried switching to a carb that I know works, but it kept backfiring horribly... This never happened before ctmandu came over, does that have something to do with the timing? Either way, the choke on the carb wasn't hooked up so I figured I'd wait till I had some light and could take the time to hook up the choke, since giving it enough gas to stay running was causing the backfires. Probably won't get to try anything more till sunday


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Now it sounds like the timing chain is streched. Has the engine ever been rebuilt?

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