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i am looking at getting dropped spindles for a late 8os-early 90s izuzu would those spindles fit on a 74 LUV??? if so then i've found drop spindles and a disk conversion all in one let me know if it works.......cause if not i'm just going to flip the lower ball joint

Thats why it wont work. The balljoint points up on the latter, it points down on the older.


You could space the lower ball joint, thats what i was looking to do.


The late series KB (pup) 85 on had ventialted brakes, smaller than the TF series but the ball joints point the same as the Luv.


Bob.

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Current project, 1979 KB Isuzu Ute.

Daily driver, '86 Rodeo Spacecab.
Chasing parts for Isuzu Impulse.

space the lower ball joint? that sounds crazy enough. it might work! might work well in my situation too! hmmm

are the lower balljoints bolted to the control arm? if i were to make a spacer, what kind of hardware would i use to put it back together?

youve got me thinkin!

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"but its that gut feeling of you're drawn to what feels right for yourself and what you're passionate about..."

If my memory is right the lower joint bolts to the top of the lower arm and pokes out over the end and points down. So the theory is if you space the joint up you lower the car. Again if my memory is right the mounting surface is flat so all you would need would be an inch thick block of steel with 4 holes drilled in it. Four new high tensile longer bolts and the job should be right.

Going with too bigger block will put the arm too low and affect ground clearnce and you run the risk of smacking the arm on stuff. Id say the bottom of the arm should be no lower than the threaded end of the ball joint.


Above is what i was considering but it would depend on what it does to the other geometry of the steering and wheel travel. But then im changing the draglingk and going power steering too so i might create lots of issues. lol.


Cheers, Bob.

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Current project, 1979 KB Isuzu Ute.

Daily driver, '86 Rodeo Spacecab.
Chasing parts for Isuzu Impulse.

okay, since you got me thinkin i could lower my frontend more inexpensively, i had to research it. and what i came up with is, you cant space the lower balljoint on an isuzu. the balljoint is basically sandwiched in the LCA and bolts go all the way though it.

this is a LCA on a 87 pup...


and one for a later TF...


now you can see what i mean.

now if you were a good welder and had a set of junk LCAs layin around you could tinker with makin a way to space outthe lower ball joint.

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"but its that gut feeling of you're drawn to what feels right for yourself and what you're passionate about..."

well now i feel like a dumbass. always thinkin about my truck...

anyways, the luv LCA is completely different than the pup and TF one. the luv has a flat mating surface for the balljoint and has 4 lage bolts that hold it on. with the luv LCA it would be easy to make a spacer for it. although, i wouldnt go anymore than an inch to maybe and inch and a quarter.

heres a luv LCA...



this might come in handy when lee decides to bag his luv!

oh, and bob, im plannin on gettin another set of LCAs for the pup and seein what i can do with some C channel. id like to see how it would work...

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"but its that gut feeling of you're drawn to what feels right for yourself and what you're passionate about..."

I was gunna say your a dumb arse but you already said it

That Pup you got there is bagged by the look of it. That tyre wear is shocking. lol.


Theres three arms from what i can tell.
The Luv style, that includes the pup bodied luv. the 81 model, possibly as late as 84.

Then the KB Pup arm.

Then the TF arm.

I first heard of the spacer blocks while looking at some work done on a TF. Apparently they are better to use than the drop spindles as they adjust the front end geometry in a more friendly way.

Its all about the suspension travel. Its ok to slam it to the weeds but you still need some travel. Unfortunately the way the isuzu pickups are built you get no extra room to play with. At least with the block you arent losing the inch in travel, well as long as the top arm doesnt bind up. You gain a little negative camber which is a good thing in a commercial/truck. You also keep the same shocker/suspension travel distance.

An inch of block and loosing an inch on the torsion bars should get me as low as i want to go. Because of the slight bar drop i will probably preload turn them a spline too. I screwed the front of my Spacecab down a bit and its softened a fair bit and gets a fair bit of body roll.
All i will need to do will be nut out a beefier swaybar.



Bagging a luv would be a big job as far as the front end is concerned. Dognut bags that you could put the shocker down the middle of would be the go.



Bob.

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Current project, 1979 KB Isuzu Ute.

Daily driver, '86 Rodeo Spacecab.
Chasing parts for Isuzu Impulse.

i dont even think that helped me........i'm just going to flip the ball joint not make a spacer.....what about the spindle does anyone know about that?

Are you saying you didnt understand the above???

What your suggesting is wrong.
Flipping the balljoint alters the pivot point of the suspension, thats going to affect geometry. Theres also different designs of ball joint, on some the weight of the car holds the ball in the socket others the cars weight tries to pull the ball out of the socket.

I already said about the spindle, the lower ball joint points the wrong way on a TF spindle. If you flipped the Luv lower balljoint it would be pointing the right way to use a TF spindle.

Drop spindles arent favoured on the TF as they alter the front end geometry in an unplesant way.
The drop of the spindle combinde with the flip of the ball joint will lower a fair bit.

The other things to consider are the height of the spindle and on the TF the steering arms are fixed and you need them to be the same length as the old ones.


I highly doubt you would be able to flip a luv ball joint. The other side of the joint isnt flat to be able to mount it to the arm.

Im not telling you what to do, go for it and do what you like. Im just trying to point out that steering geometry is a tricky critter to mess with. Get it wrong and you will bump steer all over the road.

Cheers, Bob.

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Current project, 1979 KB Isuzu Ute.

Daily driver, '86 Rodeo Spacecab.
Chasing parts for Isuzu Impulse.

rodeobob i think i understand what you were saying thanks for the help