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 Post subject: Almost rollin her out..
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:33 am 
Well, last fall I told everyone about the last ride I took, and a bolt came clanking out and this dude was all laughin. A little investigating and the alternator bolt, the one down next to the timing cover, broke its dang self off in the block. Must have tighted it too tight. This leaves me with pullin the radiator, trying to drill a hole in the hardened bolt, and using an easyout. sux, but I'm just dyin to wrench on her.

this will happen this saturday at about noon.

to follow; front coil overs, gas shock arm for the tilt bed, rollbar, gas tank relocation, and shimming the starter. OH YEAH, and lots of quality digital pics.

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Gotta love it huh? That sounds like the bs that usually happens to me.

Oh well, it should come out fairly easy. I've drilled out plenty of those working when I worked at that engine shop.


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Good luck!!! I gave myself a lot of practice getting out broken bolts when I put the 6 in!! :oops: and made up a lot of new cuss words too! 8O

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be a good time to invest in some left hand twist drill bits :D

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 8:57 am 
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be a good time to invest in some left hand twist drill bits


what are they and do they work better? I have easy outs. same thing?!?

the weather is about 25 degrees. hope it warms up cause in on this like stink on crap........


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I think these might be what Larp is talking about
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I just got these at Sears for $30 as I started on my 39 Chevy and broke 7 bolts of just taking one fender off (dam 64 year old bolts!!)! I haven't used them yet as it has snowed EVERY day since I got them and the garage is a little cold now! :evil: You run your drill backwards and they drill into the bolt and when it gets far enough in, they grab the bolt and spin it out. It is a drill bit and Ez-out all in one! Like I said, I haven't got to try them yet but my dad says they work great!

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i've never heard of them.thats cool :D

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:40 pm 
Man, i wish I had read that earlier tilted, i went out with a drill bit, tapped it, and busted the easy out off in the hole! feel like such a douche' bag.

Ive explored my options at this point and they include trying to BREAK the hardened easyout till it falls out, melting the bolt out of the hole, or moving a few pieces out of the way and mounting the alternator on the passenger side of the block. i will try the last one first. i hope it clears the steering arm..thingy. looked like it would.

I will DEFINATELY get a set of the phat looking easy outs the next one I snap off.

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There are left hand drill bits available. They look like normal bits but with a left hand twist. They are really handy. But if the bolt is really seized to the point of breaking an "easy out", you got a problem. You'll also need a reversible drill to use a left hand bit.

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I must be doing some thing wrong, I just tried using them and it didn't get the bolt out. It drilled in an then the extractor part just spun and wouldn't grab?? Have to ask my dad the secret. Anyway, know how you feel 77ss, I broke a valve cover bolt off in my head and then broke the ez-out off when I was putting the v-6 in. Had to take the head off and to a shop that burned it out and retapped the hole, I was a little mad at myself for being stupid!! Then I busted an oil-pan bolt off and Ill be damned if I was going to pull the motor back out. I did finally get that one out! :evil: The thing I learned from all of this, never reuse old bolts, always replace them with new ones!!

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Did you use the correct size drill bit for the easy out? Did you hit the easy out a little with a hammer to get a good bite? Dont hit it too hard or you'll end up swelling the metal and make it even tighter. If all else fails, Get ready for a "Heli-Coil".

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those arnt exactly what i was thinking of tilted...ive never seen those.
what i was talking about was what BM said...lotsa of times the drilling action/ vibreation is enough to loosen the bolt...
but since you have broken a "easy out" (insert sarcasm here :lol: ) off in it you are over 1/2 way to being screwed..since i dont think there is a drill bit alive that can drill one...well im sure there is somewhere but I probley cant afford them :( .
is there not enough bolt sticking out to gab w/ vise grips?...if there is...get a torch...a oxy-acetylene torch..dont piss around w/ a propane deal. and heat around the bolt.

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All right, looks like a little confusion here, the broken EZout was when I was putting the V-6 in back in the early 90's, problem fixed a long time ago 8) . I was using the extractor kit (I posted pic earlier in the post) and I could not get them to take the bolt out in my 39 Chevy fenderwell this afternoon. These work with a drill but I must of went to fast or something as it just spin inside the drilled out bolt and wouldn't grab. I can get to the backside of this bolt , so getting it out is not a problem but wanted to see how these new tools work.

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You should use a slow speed / hi torque drill motor. But when the fastener is corroded to the structure, it's like fused together. I think your asking too much from that tool. I noticed in the pic that it has booklet. Did you read it? I have a bad habit of jumping into a new tool without reading what the manufactuer has to say.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 8:06 pm 
alittle input on my stuck bolt. It broke cause i think i tightened it too tight. the holes on the drivers side next to the timing cover bottom out in the block. the ones over by the fuel pump dont. so i tightened that sucker to the point that i think she fractured off in the hole. 8O :evil:

so not onlyis it broke, but its in the "totally tight' position. and completely flush with the block. the easy out was too small i think. i had a bigger one, but didnt want to re drill the hole bigger. Douche'. LIVNLURN.

Flip that unit to the other side if it will fit, tommorrow,


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Blue Meanie wrote:
You should use a slow speed / hi torque drill motor. But when the fastener is corroded to the structure, it's like fused together. I think your asking too much from that tool. I noticed in the pic that it has booklet. Did you read it? I have a bad habit of jumping into a new tool without reading what the manufactuer has to say.

Yea I did read the instructions first (I know not typical male behavior :wink: ) but I think the problem is the 64 years of rust is the problem and it is part of the body now. I have gotten visegrips on it and it wont even turn with them. The cool thing is the nut on the body is kind of an insert with two tabs that hold it on the body and I can just take it off and put in a new nut. Where this one is at is also at the rear pan which has rusted out and needs to be replaced like most 39's have to be (just like LUV rocker panels). Good luck on yours 77ss!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:54 am 
Ill let you know if i manage to get it out. BUT, I think Ill relocate the alternator first if possible. Its the lesser of the EVILS at this point. :evil:


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