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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:49 am 
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so i was driving my 82 diesel 4x4 the other day and it suddenly began making a ticking/tapping noise. Fearing engine damage and the fact that i was near my mechanic and 40 miles from home, i dropped it off to be looked at. He went over it and said it was just an 'injector tap' (which i never heard of, but apparently its a lot less serious than an engine rap or tap, and so I was planning on pulling the injectors and putting them in my ultrasonic bath.)

Anyhow, while it was in there i had him do an oil change and all filters. On the way home today I was listening to the sound of my ticking injector, when it started to get louder, and louder, and louder. the tick became a tap became a rap became a knock. I knew something was wrong and so i pulled over and looked under the hood. I discovered my oil filter was loose and there was oil all over the place, looks like it ran the engine dry! So upset that they didnt put that on right, what a shame.

Anyway, it was still running, im not counting it out yet, but im preparing myself for the worst (a new engine)

so which years of the 2.2s work in my 82? not looking for a project, want something thats relatively bolt-in . I was looking to upgrade it to a 5spd anyway so figure id mention that (plenty of info in that on other threads)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:38 am 
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other then the early and late model bearings and oil filters.
well there's the open and sealed crank vent
OH and 2WD and 4WD oil pans....

and of coarse the differences of the turbo engine.
valve size, IP, and air filter set up and some other things.

the only thing that's not swappable is the bearing size change on the crank.
the heads, blocks, and manaflods are all inter changeable.
all 2.2Ls have the same compression rating new.........21 to 1 even the turbo models 8O


early 2.2s 81\83ish are rated at 57hp the later ones 84\87~ are like 62hp
turbos are 80hp :lol: but are quite rare as you know....being that 86\87 are the only years there sold in the US of A :cry:

good time to think about up-grade trans too one of the 86\87 trooper or 4wd pup tranys.
sadly, there's two types of 4speeds, 4 and 6 bolt, your 4sp needs to be the 6 bolt type in order to put your diesel housing on a gas 5sp MSG trans.
im talking about the bearing cover plate behind the clutch arm, and how many bolts are holding it on.
near impossible to tell unless the engine or trans is out of the auto :( :(

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:27 am 
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thanks for the info - a wealth - it will take me a while to digest it


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Or, with a 2" body lift you could use the 4JB1-T (about 110 hp). They generally come with 4wd 5-speed transmission for about $3k, used/imported from Japan. Some of our IsuzuPup.com members have used this engine.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:17 pm 
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engine = toast

does anyone sell a rebuild kit?

do the 4JB1-T engines come with injection pumps and most of the stuff i need?


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power, water, fuel, oil make the imported engines ready to run.

they commonly come with the EGR, ALT\VAC, P\S and A\C pumps. every time iv read the fine print, there excluded from the warenty.
so they could be just fine or junk....

one place that gave the trans for free, but added cost to the engine had no warrenty on the trans at all.

as stated above, you will need to make shour a 2wd trans is available.
your diesel trans should fit it, but there's a good reason it has the next GEN of trans, with all that added low end power.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:17 am 
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trooper T/diesel wrote:
as stated above, you will need to make shour a 2wd trans is available.
your diesel trans should fit it, but there's a good reason it has the next GEN of trans, with all that added low end power.


i dont understand, my truck is a 4x4

id like an engine/trans combo ideally if i was going to import it


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I replied to your other post (the one about wanting to buy an engine). Hang onto your bad engine, because if you buy a 2wd C223, you will need your 4wd oil pan, pump, and pickup to go onto the good engine. Those 4wd oil pans are SCARCE!

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DOH my fault, that's not an issue then.

need to look closer at what people type :oops:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:03 pm 
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ok so i have a guy with a c223 and power steering setup from an 84 P'up

any reason why these wouldnt work?


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jerryfreak wrote:
ok so i have a guy with a c223 and power steering setup from an 84 P'up

any reason why these wouldnt work?

No, but see my remarks above if it's from a 2wd. The '84 has some slight improvements over the '82.

Do NOT scrap the bad engine, it has valuable parts.

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JoeIsuzu wrote:
No, but see my remarks above if it's from a 2wd. The '84 has some slight improvements over the '82.

Do NOT scrap the bad engine, it has valuable parts.

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yeah i was planning on saving the oil pan and pump assy.

what are the slight 'improvements'?


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jerryfreak wrote:
what are the slight 'improvements'?

Here are the ones I know about, and there may be others that I don't:
  • The draft tube was replaced with a closed system that routes crankcase vapors back into the intake (the draft tube leaves a mess wherever you park the truck). This also routes oil back to the pan, rather than your garage floor or the road.
  • Main bearings were narrowed a little bit. I'm told this was the reason the HP went up to 60 that year.
  • The oil filter mount was changed to accommodate a larger filter. This was for better filtration, but the filters cost about $12 and the "improved" cooler assembly is very prone to leaks. It can be retrofitted with the old style oil filter mount/cooler.
  • There was a minor modification to the fast-idle actuator--it uses a rigid rod instead of a cable.
  • An improvement that was carried over from '83 -- larger exhaust outlet. I think the '81-'82 outlet was 2" and the '83-up was 2.25 but don't quote me on that. I just know it's slightly larger.
That's all I can think of at the moment.

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JoeIsuzu wrote:
[*]The oil filter mount was changed to accommodate a larger filter. This was for better filtration, but the filters cost about $12 and the "improved" cooler assembly is very prone to leaks. It can be retrofitted with the old style oil filter mount/cooler.


im guessing thats another part i want to salvage from the old 82 motor?

thanks for all the info! cant wait to lay tire with my extra 2 HP!


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does anyone know the weight of a C223?

seller is guessing the weight, and i will be left holding the bag if its over teh 350 pounds he says it is


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jerryfreak wrote:
does anyone know the weight of a C223?

seller is guessing the weight, and i will be left holding the bag if its over teh 350 pounds he says it is

I searched IsuzuPup.com for the answer, and can't find it. I'd give you 2:1 odds it's over 350 lbs., though.

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much much closer to 450 then 350

any crate, strapping or the trans will be more then that.

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thanks i just paid for 500 lbs


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ok so the new engine (84 pup C223) is in and running

BUT it wasnt an exact fit. There was an extra crankcase vent that when i picked it up was blowing a little oil mist out and making me smell burning oil. So i plugged it (bad idea! it pressurized the crankcase and blew a bunch of oil out all over the place. I'm gonna clean the engine up and check for seal leaks)

anyway heres a few pics of it i took before i plugged it. (The vertical ~1" tube to the upper right of the 'U' in ISUZU in the first pic)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/44 ... 18001.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46 ... 8002u.jpg/

at the time i took the pics my options were
a)plug it (bad idea as i now know)
b)put a valve-cover style oil breather on it
c)figure out a way to route it to the air filter


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jerryfreak wrote:
ok so the new engine (84 pup C223) is in and running

BUT it wasnt an exact fit. There was an extra crankcase vent that when i picked it up was blowing a little oil mist out and making me smell burning oil. So i plugged it (bad idea! it pressurized the crankcase and blew a bunch of oil out all over the place. I'm gonna clean the engine up and check for seal leaks)

anyway heres a few pics of it i took before i plugged it. (The vertical ~1" tube to the upper right of the 'U' in ISUZU in the first pic)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/44 ... 18001.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46 ... 8002u.jpg/

at the time i took the pics my options were
a)plug it (bad idea as i now know)
b)put a valve-cover style oil breather on it
c)figure out a way to route it to the air filter

See the first item in the bullet-list of differences I gave you above:
JoeIsuzu wrote:
The draft tube was replaced with a closed system that routes crankcase vapors back into the intake (the draft tube leaves a mess wherever you park the truck). This also routes oil back to the pan, rather than your garage floor or the road.
The oil separator is missing on your '84 engine, and it normally vents into the intake manifold. Can you post a photo of the intake manifold? Without that oil separator, you should NOT vent this "oil mist" into the intake. You will cause a runaway engine, and it can quickly self-destruct. The guy who sold you the engine didn't tell you it was missing parts?

The oil separator is normally bolted to the rear of the valve cover. It's a rectangular box with baffles inside. The large hose send the blowby gases in. There is a hose or two on the opposite side that sends the gases into two fittings on the intake manifold. There is also an oil return line on the the passenger's side of the box that will return the oil to a "Y" fitting above the oil pan.

You need to assess what's missing, and replace it. There are some folks over at IsuzuPup.com who can probably help, but we really need to know what's missing.

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