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 Post subject: Re: 4wd and the Fuzz
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 4wd and the Fuzz
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:06 pm 
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ok guys, look


Here in salt lake, the cops are generally relaxed, but when something is up, they bust their asses to do their job.

are there crappy, power-hungry, corrupt, "i've got the badge and therefore i'm above the law" complexions out there.
OF COURSE.

BUT,

that doesn't mean that they are ALL bad. one rotting orange doesn't mean the entire bag of them are in the same shape.

And yes, i'm sure we have all had at least ONE bad experience with the cops.

When i first got my license, i borrowed my mother's truck. when coming out of the parking lot of a home depot, there was a center median with a left turn lane, but no sign that specifically said " no u turn" it did, however, say left turn only.

well, i made the u turn, and the fuzz jumped right on me. got a ticket, even though there wasn't a specific u turn prohibited sign ( and mind you, there had been other cars making u turns)


another trooper stopped me in ogden while visiting my brother one night, and just before getting on the freeway, i did a slow roll throught a red to turn right and the trooper pounced on me. well, long story short, turned out my insurance company had cancelled my policy and had reported it to the CA DMV. the DMV in turn had suspended my registration. (And failed to tell me about it)

so in the end, the trooper gave me a warning about the stoplight, AND let me go home even though he should have had a tow truck take our car and take it to impound.


SO, yeah, there are good cops, and really bad cops....

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:57 pm 
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Figuarus wrote:
...long story short, turned out my insurance company had cancelled my policy and had reported it to the CA DMV. the DMV in turn had suspended my registration. (And failed to tell me about it)

so in the end, the trooper gave me a warning about the stoplight, AND let me go home even though he should have had a tow truck take our car and take it to impound.


SO, yeah, there are good cops, and really bad cops....



Around 6 months ago I needed to renew my Lic but had no time to do it so I went down to DMV and asked to get an extention since I'm required to take my Hazmat Test. They gave me paperwork and I left and turned the paperwork in to my work. A week later I get a call from company spokesman and I am informed that I am not allowed to drive any of the companies trucks and the DMV paper work that I had turn in was worthless and I was fired from the company for not having a vaild Lic and was esscorted back to my car. My boss said go take care of it and turn it in tomorrow and he would not hire anyone to replace me for at least one day. I went to another DMV and they told me my paperwork was done all wrong and corrected it asap. I faxed the new paper work in to work. The company spokeperson excepted it and said if my spot was still open I had a job again. I got fired one day and rehired the next thanks to DMV's mistake. Does not stop there. Then the next day I get pulled over while leaving work and the cop say's my truck is not regestered, and I have no lic. I prove to him I have a lic since I just got it straightin out with DMV and told him my truck was reg but had no proof. He impounded my truck and left my stranded at a gas station some 70 miles from home. Some guy on a bicycle said he saw them take my truck and ask if I wanted a ride. I'm amazed, and ask does he mean on the bike, and he say's no he has a car he will go get. I told him thanks and just take me over to my mom's some 20 miles away instead and ask him if I could fill his gas tank. He said it was cool and didn't want the gas, I insisted and fiiled his tank. Next day I go to DMV and they said I owed $20 for reg late and now they wanted $180. Never got a noticed or anything about this. I went to the bank and got copies of the check and proved that I paid it and to add insult to injury, I had paid it early. DMV's mistake cost me $250-impound +$50-court=$300-DMV F'up. LAPD gave me a form to fill out to try and get my money back, I'm not holding my breath. If the first mistake had not been caught the other day by the company spokesman then they could have kept my truck for manditory 30 days=$$$$ to get it out. When I got it out of impound I check the bed of my truck. I had 4 five gallon jugs full of fuel, at the time it was like @$80 WORTH OF FUEL! Tools, chains and a new car battery plus misc stuff. To my surprise nothing was stolen. Got the truck back with everything in it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:33 pm 
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So the DMV screws everyone... Really. If the DMV was a business, I'd take my business elsewhere.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21198

Don't get your hopes up in getting your money back. Still hasn't happened for me. I've just decided to move out of state as soon as I'm done with school (out of state tuition bites).
They invintory everything in your vehicle... if something turned up gone, it would've been their fault anyhow.


Man, Luvrv8, I wish I lived where you do. Sherriff's deputies are alright here, but the PD is full of bored people. Yeah, there are a few nice people, but 90% of them are not. We've got too many cops here, and we're taking the ones that other cities are laying off...
I haven't dealt much with the CHP, but they're alright for the most part.
Just a random question, luvrv8, are you in any way affiliated with any law enforcement agency?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:07 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:41 am 
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It’s not my intention to sow discord in our happy family. My opinion is only that, an opinion. I trust that you respect that, as I respect yours.

I rarely say something without careful consideration and, after careful consideration, I stand by my assessment.

If you go to Google and search for “dishonest cop”, you get over 9000 hits. Search for “illegal police activity” and you get 66,000 hits. Search for “dirty cop” and you get 83,000 hits. Okay, many of those are for sexy ladies Halloween costumes, but we’ll save that for another thread.

If you randomly pick through any of these (skipping the sexy ladies Halloween costumes, of course) you'll find hundreds of instances to back my opinion, but let me tell you about mine:

First off, except for the random traffic ticket, I’ve never run afoul of the law. However, my family and I periodically take in people in need, and one of them did run afoul of the law.

So one night, long after he had moved out, I get a knock on my door. It’s a passel of cops looking for him. They started right off lying to me, telling me “It’s just a clerical problem with a traffic ticket.”

I let them search the house. (I sometimes wonder, if I had said no, would they have admitted their lie and pulled out the warrant, but I’ll never know.) I told them he no longer lived here. I didn’t tell them where he was, but I told them how they could find him. That way, I could remain loyal to a friend and still help the cops. They promised to follow up and left

I thought it was done, but a week or so later there was a knock on the door. This time it was a different passel of cops. We went through the whole thing again, lie to me, search the house, etc. We told them we had gone through this before and why didn’t they follow-up on the information we had previously given? They didn’t know, but took it all again, promised to follow up and left.

So, a week or so later, there was a knock on the door. This time I got a little perturbed and, still politely, asked to speak to the officer in charge. After going through the whole thing again with the sergeant in charge, I elicited a promise that they would check the information we gave them and, if it was valid (which it was), they would not be back.

So about 6 weeks go by and there’s a knock on the door. This time I got pissed and demanded badge numbers. That’s when they grabbed me, shoved me into my house, and informed me that they were asking the questions. I, of course, didn’t physically resist. We had a less-than-polite exchange, where I used the words “incompetent pinheads” (which got me shoved around a little more) and where I suggested they go back and look up the information we had provided on the previous 3 visits. After my daughter picked up a camcorder and turned it on, they decided to take my suggestion and left.

I was pissed enough that I contacted the Professional Standards and Conduct Unit (PSCU) (the local version of internal affairs) and filed a complaint.

During the investigation of the complaint, they told the PSCU officer that they entered the house because they thought they saw someone fitting the description of the man they were searching for. (There was only my daughters and me in the house). The sergeant told PSCU that he hadn’t said what he said, and that he merely informed me of their rights as police officers. Ultimately, PSCU determined that “the incidents happened, but they were justified”. No police officer was reprimanded.

That pissed me off enough that I went to the independent police auditor. Apparently, since I wasn’t going away, the chief of police was informed. He contacted me and told me that they were changing their policy for processing warrants so that officers were forced to review past information and follow up before they try to process the warrant.

By this point, a year had gone by and I was tired of fighting a losing battle. So I didn’t ask why they had to force common sense. I simply thanked him and dropped it, which I’m sure was what he wanted.

So, the cops were dishonest from the start. They illegally shoved me around when I didn’t just meekly comply with their demands, and they lied to PSCU to cover each other’s respective asses.

Postscript:
The man they were looking for was arrested in a neighboring state where he had moved for work. He wasn’t trying to hide; they found him from his driver’s license address.

After sitting in jail for weeks, (and losing his job) he was extradited to here where he was arraigned. At the arraignment, he showed that he didn’t do what he was accused of. The judge immediately released him and chastised the police.

Turns out he had pissed off a detective so badly that, even though the detective knew he wasn’t guilty, the detective swore out the warrant anyway.

Again, I respect your opinion, but you’ll never convince me that cops are overwhelmingly good. I don’t think the dishonest, illegal actions of the cops toward me or toward the young man were any different than they would have been toward anyone else. I wasn't dealing with an aberration, I was dealing with a standard cop MO.

Postscript II: about a year after all this, the young man fell in love with my daughter and became my son-in-law. Things have a way of working out.

Sorry for the excessively long post. If you made it all the way to the end, I applaud your perseverance.

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