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Perhaps we should wrap everyone up in bubble wrap, cram a feed hose down their throat, another hose up their ass and put them in soft padded room so that no one ever again has to worry. Seems to me thats about the only way not to worry about getting food poison, hit by a car or shot by a gun.

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Dude, don't post stuff like that! Some damn goverment official might see it, like it, do it, and it will be YOUR fault.

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Sorry man, I don't know what came over me. But then I own a gun so I must be out of control.

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That alright man, just drink a couple of beers, take an antidepressant and clean your gun!!!

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so your saying having strickter laws isnt going have ay affect on gun related deaths at all?

from what i understand they are looking to ban automatic and possibly semi automatic.

what do you even need these kind of weapons for anyway? hunting? i think not? same with handguns ive never seen anone hunt anything with a hundgun.

First part: I think perhaps it may have an affect. But, we are also saying that car accidents kill more people so the questions then becomes,,,should we take away cars too. Control means taking away your freedoms. As far as the affect it will have in my opinion would really only be the accidental deaths. Homicides and suicides will still happen. Rather than take away guns maybe a little more education would be in order.

Second part: Where is your statistic on automatic weapons? I would think they would be a small part of the issue. The problem for gun owners here is that when the government gets grip on one type of gun it is a much easier step to take them all.

Last part: Gun collecting is a sport here, there are gun clubs and forums just like the ones for little pickups. Many people enjoy collecting, shooting and improving there skills just for the fun of it. And yes we do hunt with hand guns, shotguns, rifles, primative firearms and bows and arrows.

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Guns are a deterrent. Those who don't have them are targets of opportunity for those who do. As the saying goes 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' As to no need for a semi automatic, I ask 'why not?' I can sort of go along with the no automatics, due to the waste of ammunition, but a semi automatic is good to me for the self ejecting of the spent shells. Not necessarily any faster shooting one than a revolver, and almost no difference in shot times in the long guns and rifles that are pump actioned. As stated earlier, banning them by type one at a time until they are all outlawed seems to be the way this is headed here.

And back when I still participated in sport hunting, on whitetail deer I used a pistol mostly the last few years as it was more of a challenge. It was a large caliber revolver. I occasionally shot sporting clays (in a designated safe area) for 'funsies' with a .22 caliber Browning autoloader (semi automatic) rifle...

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FIAA!

SFPP!

BTW I used cars as an example because of the irony. In my opinion even though there are far more vehicular deaths it woud seam the do gooder, hollier that thou radicals somehow justify these deaths as being acceptable. The only reason I can come up with is because with out cars THEY would be inconvienced. Bottom line is its ok for people to die as long as it benifits enough people.

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you call freedom being able to own a gun, you know your still free with out one america being "land of the free" and all. i think that your government is only adressing part of the problem here, as has been said guns are easy to get illegally, i would think that harsher penalties for being caught with unregistered guns. i dont know if you have licences over there but here we have to get a licence to buy a gun, and you must hae it on you while your in possetion of said gun. i agree more education is needed along wth regulation.

and as for cars and drving over there i amofthe same opinion better education ad regulation.



i dont mean that automatic weapons are big problems over there maybe a small part, but they seem a little unnesasary, when will you ever need an automatic weapon? i can understand why you may want to keep semi autos there was an uproar when they were banned here along with pump action shotguns and the like



it the same here gun collecting is a relativly popular hobbie, but its resticted like pistols you need to be n a club to have one(as far as i know) along with certain other weapons.

check how easy it was for HITLER to take Poland
the civilian had NO gins

No I don't think it will have an effect on gun related deaths...not in the long term

I have several semi-automatic weapons, varmint guns, skeet guns, rifles and shotguns. I was just using one today.

Silverwig, I and my youngest son hunt with handguns (big and small game and I could name literally hundreds of people who do, just the ones I know and belong to organizations with, there are thousands more) and am more than proficient with them. Regardless of the type of gun, single shot, handgun, shotgun, rifle, semi-auto, full auto it is still an object. Nothing more. We have laws on the books to handle law breakers but our bleeding heart Democrats (moronic Obama supporters) just simply would rather try and find a reason than to punish those who break the law. Saying I have no need to own one of those types of firearms is like saying why do I need more than one vehicle, one kitchen knife, pair of pants, television or any other item you can come up with. You are failing to realize that it's a "thing". All men have are equipped to be rapist but very few are. I will never understand the way of thinking of your kind. I can care less the way England runs their country. They are our allies during time of war out of necessity for them.

anOther Bad Ass Mistake America.
O B A M A

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yes a gun is just an object, an object designed to kill. cars arent designed to kill they can but its no what they are designed for, a kitchen knife once again not designed to kill, so on and so forth.

i have no idea how england comes into this discussion, but ok.

since were off topic anyway, you comments on obama are interesting, i rather prefer him to bush seems a little bit more clued on and hasnt attacked any middle easter country yet. so thats a plus

I think you are mistaken on the whole knife thing.
I would say the knife was a tool happened on by chance and that was refined as a weapon to kill with and then evolved to kitchen duty as civilisation came along.
You cant realy say the kitchen knife is not to kill with.

The car may not be designed as a weapon but it can certainly be used as one intentionally.



I do not see the harm in gun regulations. But then if they were not so tight here i would own some. But then do i realy need one.

Here you need a licence to shoot. Then you need a permit for each guy you own.

Bob.

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a kitchen knife is designed to cut things, not as strong as knives you would use for killing a person/animal, a knife used for killing would be used in a more stabbing motion, get between ribs and such, or have some nice big serrations for cutting throats and such

the guns arent the problem, people are the problem in this country, i am a firm believer that a person is smart, people as a whole are stupid!

i personally see no reason for fully automatic guns except in the military, but that being said i own several semi-automatic rifles that i use for rabbit, coyote and over varmit hunting.
the bill as it states that i read says "all handguns, and rifles that require clips, no antiques or collectors guns" basically stuff that you'd have to be a moron to fire.

i also believe that there needs to be harsher punishment for gun related violence. not more restrictions on people like me and from what i can tell quite a few people here that have guns for hobby or sport. I have no intention on shooting someone or holding up a store or bank.

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Everyone has thier own opinions/ideas on this. These opinons/ideas are also driven by the culture they are raised in. In Austrailia, England, America, etc., what you are exposed to has an effect on how you see things. Everyone is different thus different ideas. We need to look at the BIG picture. Let's tackle the problem with people using guns for crimes! Trying a weak blanket poilcy is only going to force more individuals to try keeping their right to own a gun by hiding them. Yes, harsher penalties that are enforced. Stop making deals for lesser fines and times for helping the authorities. Get rid of those luxuries prisoners get such as tv, books, games, etc. Make ALL prisoners pay for their crimes. These are some of the things that need to be addressed. The way the government is going about this is only targeting those that are honest citizens. If I were planning to rob banks, get drugs, or break laws in other fashions using a gun, , do you think I would buy one from a retailer? We love a challenge and everyone loves different challenges. While I no longer do this, I remember going wild boar hunting with a handgun. That hunt, which by the way did get us a boar, was one of the most heart pounding hunts I have ever been on. Unlike using a rifle, we had to get up close and personal with the target which is a nasty beast that didn't run away from us, but rather charged us. I carry a handgun when deer hujnting too. If the deer is still alive when I track it down after shooting it with a rifle, why finish it off with my 30-06 when a .22 round to the head works fine. I can go on and on, but the bottom line is, stop taking another one of our rights away and let's target the ones using them against other people and not punish EVERYONE. Is this possible? Hard to say as I sure don't have all of the answeres. If I had been brought up in another country with existing laws in effect, my outlook would be far different. Oh yes, fully automatic weapons aren't needed by anyone other than law enforcement, the military, and those that are true gun collectors. Enough ranting!

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Ya what he said!
but not enough ranting. stoke the fire, stoke the fire!

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The argument could go on forever whether you are pro on con. The real issue here is that we are suppose to be a democracy. But the current administration is doing everything in their power to alter or pass laws without an American vote. If my guns ever get taken away it will need to be because the majority of Americans decide we should no longer be free to own them anymore. Not because some azzhole on a highhorse decides he thinks we should not be able to defend ourselves on a personal level and that we should just shut up and do want they want us to. I don't know but the words communism and socialism come to mind.

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Sorry dont get how you can make the argument.
Just because it is outside the design brief does not mean that it can not be used for a different purpose.

The first knives were stone arrow heads. The intent was to kill and then cut rather than gnaw it with your teeth, which fell out before you tunred 20 and you died.
Maybe the whole knife thing was found because one cave man was mad and he picked up a pointy rock and stabbed his wife with it.


Im not sure why guns were designed, i suppose it came from the cannon, then the musket. Maybe it was to kill people in particular. A lot of guns are designed with sport shooting in mind, because it is used to kill a person rather than a targets or animals is not the fault of the gun. Sure there are assult rifles and 50 cal machine guns and the 50cal sniper rifles and stuff specifically designed to kill people. Apart from shits and giggles i dont see why anyone needs to actually own one.

I bet that the pecentage of people killed by another person with a regular run of the mill eat your dinner knife exceeds the amount of people that are killed with dedicated combat knives.
Cutting throats is a best done with a fairly thin ultra sharp knife, one direct smooth movement. Its a bit cruel to hack away at an animals throat, i know i wouldnt like it much.
Combat knives are made with multi purpose in mind.



I have to agree on the punishment thing.
Its pretty soft here. A guy got life last week for stalking and shooting his Ex Girlfriend with a sawnoff shotgun. It was all over the news. He did less than half the 30 years he got for the stabbing murder of his girlfriend in his 20's, hed also had assault and rape charges in between and he was in his 60's now


Prisoners have too many rights.
They have the right to food, they have the right to a bed, they have a right to be adaquately clothed per climate, they have a right to personal hygene, shower, soap and tooth brush and medial attention. Thats it, everything else is a privelige, and they have to be earnt. You do not get heating and air conditioning. If you hot strip off, if your cold you get a blanket. If you top yourself thats your own fault for being a pussy.
Nothing is for free. So the state has the right to demand that they work to pay for their own keep, thats your excersie and thats your entertainment, its also part of your punishment. If you do not do your part, thats it your in confinement.
Want materials to contact people or want to make a phone call, want visitors. Earn it. It would be harsh to deny some sort of education but if you want it you have to earn it. No bastard in Jail gets a root. Any bastrad in jail thats gets caught rooting gets punished.


Theres plenty of jobs prisoners can do. Theres pelenty of spots in Australia that they can be put thats miles from nowhere.

It would save the country millions. Do-good-ers have a lot to answer for. Criminals have more rights than victims.

Ive read about some guy in the US thats got things pretty hardcore for the cons. Pink boxers and all. I think it was well under $1 a head to feed one man for one day. And the living quarters were tents. He would get my vote.


Cheers, Bob.

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man i love trying to figure out other peoples lingo!

but from what i do understand, i must agree with rodeobob.

criminals get it too good, they need to get back to basics and make them earn it just like we have to in the real world.

btw. rodeobob its knida disturbing how you talk about slitting someones throat with a knife j/k

and by the way if this guy ran for prez i would vote for him too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

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