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 Post subject: fuel inject a briggs
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:28 pm 
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ok it says general so? i have a old single cylinder 16hp cast iron briggs and stratton. with points, do ya'll think it could be possible to weld an intake (no problem) and thread an injector, running off the points or plug to fire it. does the spark pulse get longer or shorter when you increase rpms? will the points or magnito be strong enough?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:32 pm 
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I dont know if the points/mag will have the right type of timing for an injection system - im going to think that the pulse for the spark will get shorter at higher RPM as theres less time for the coil to charge. I do know that most aftermarket systems can handle from 1 to 16 cylinders.

However, a small mechanical linear flow pump, a barrel valve and a small injector would definitly work. flow rates and consumption rates could easily be determined for tuning.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:03 pm 
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so what your saying is i would still have to have a comp or regulator of some sort to control the fuel curve? :esurprised

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:10 pm 
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there is a video on you tube.... a lawnmower that they put NOS on it.
I think they did a 50shot then something like a 100 then 250 shot. pretty funny stuff.

sorry to whore the thread :eugeek

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You could upgrade to an electronic ignition, I think it would give you a more stable spark, and faster coil recharge time to use for timing the injector. I agree with the Dr. tho, higher RPM's decreases the coil recharge rate. Seems like it would depend on the injector specs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRIGGS-and-STRATTON ... otohosting

Most mopeds use a CDI (Capacitive Discharge Ignition) setup. I bet that could be converted to fire the injector too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CDI-Coil-Motorized- ... .m20.l1116

Curious, what's the application? Or are you just playing? 8)

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i have a old montgomeery ward but i just got it running stupid cousin doesn't know what he is talking about
i have seen it on youtube but didn't know how they did theres with turbo i might add :D :twisted:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:47 pm 
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eurbz wrote:
so what your saying is i would still have to have a comp or regulator of some sort to control the fuel curve? :esurprised


correct. engines tend to make more power and run better at top end if they lean out just a tiny bit but on the bottom end run a hair fat. The idea of controling the fuel curve through direct relation of spark, specificly if fuel curve matched ignition saturation time, would be awesome! shorter charge time would equal leaner top - while longer charger = fatter bottom! All being RPM dependent. Question is: is it possible to match the two together? I dont think its worth the trouble, Im not saying it isnt directly possible, but seems rather difficult to match being that the actual saturation and dwell points of the ignition are unknown - it would be a good couple of days to learn every aspect of the stock magneto inorder to insure the fuel curve and mixture would be correct.
Not to mention learning the specifics of the particular injector for the application.

A used hilborn barrel valve and injector and maybe a good high pressure electric pump could easily be tailored or tuned to make it run right..... I say electric pump because its such a small engine its fuel consumtion rate should be way under most modern EFI pumps. The pressure might be a tad low for a mechanical injector but careful attention to the bypasses and the actual nozzle size could make it work perfectly i think. I say its worth a shot, and i would be willing to help you determine all of the specifics of making it work if you want to.... I like the idea....... could be a huge performance difference for the go cart/ mini bike crowd! This sounds real KOOL!

Im down for EFI as well........ both are going to take work, i just see mechanical injection as the easiest and simple method.


OR............. umm......... we could just get a nice carb.

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good topic. Cheers Gents.

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